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Rebutting Darwinists: (Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/15/2006 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Junior

I already pinged him :)


21 posted on 04/15/2006 12:05:48 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: Alter Kaker
Clearly you failed grammar. "Selection" is a noun. "Select" is a verb.

I stand corrected, but my question still stands. SELECTION implies "select". Who selected ? Or What selected ?
22 posted on 04/15/2006 12:06:14 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
So, you're saying that random mutation is not an accident ?

No, I'm not saying that.

By definition, a random mutation is an accident.

But the implication that a cell appeared because of a single accident is absurd.

23 posted on 04/15/2006 12:06:29 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Junior; SirLinksalot
Accepting evolution and believing in God are not mutually exclusive.

Yes they are. And the word "selection" is a verb (See #12). Sir Linksalot has entered the world of bizarre self-parody.

24 posted on 04/15/2006 12:06:43 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Junior

Ping received.


25 posted on 04/15/2006 12:07:45 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Dog Gone
Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

Astounding leap of logic.

Well, since 90% of scientists are atheists and since Darwinists believe the scientists would it be that far of a stretch to believe that 90% of Darwinists are also atheists.

26 posted on 04/15/2006 12:08:00 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: SirLinksalot
I stand corrected, but my question still stands. SELECTION implies "select". Who selected ? Or What selected ?

No it doesn't, I answered your question. The environment and potential sexual partners each select.

27 posted on 04/15/2006 12:08:45 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: SirLinksalot

An honest poll of scientists would be limited to those who qualified in areas of biology and biochemistry and have actually studied evolution, or have at least had graduate level classes in population genetics.

An honest poll would limit choices to those being examined by science. That would include the conjectures of Behe, Dembski and Shapiro. I would actually be interested in the results of such a poll. Too bad no one else is.


28 posted on 04/15/2006 12:12:18 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: Junior
As The Clergy Letter Project indicates, over 10,000 clergymen have signed on to a statement that says:
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.
In addition to those 10,000, here is a link to Statements from Religious Organizations, a list of Christian and Jewish denominations, including Roman Catholics, that accept (or at least don't dispute) evolution. There is also the recent statement opposing creationism by the Archbishop of Canterbury, leader of the 70-million-member Anglican Communion.

Clergymen are usually not scientists; therefore their opinions (whether pro or con) have no special significance regarding the scientific validity of evolution. What the above-referenced opinions do indicate is that for all of these clergymen and their denominations, evolution is compatible with religion.

Some religious denominations don't agree with those described above. In addition to those Christian denominations that follow a literal reading of scripture, a partial list of others that reject evolution would include the Unification Church (Rev. Sun Myung Moon): Darwinism: Why I Went for a Second Ph.D., by Jonathan Wells , Islam: Why Muslims Should Support Intelligent Design, By Mustafa Akyol, and the Raelians.

What this tells us is that evolution is a matter of dispute among various religious denominations, not a scientific controversy. Therefore, it is inappropriate for public school science classes to be involved in this issue.

29 posted on 04/15/2006 12:13:06 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: Cicero

"It's par for the course that "established" scientists hate it when new theories are proposed."

ID is old and fossilized. The theory of evolution is the newer claim.


30 posted on 04/15/2006 12:13:41 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Echo Talon

"Well, since 90% of scientists are atheists and since Darwinists believe the scientists would it be that far of a stretch to believe that 90% of Darwinists are also atheists."

Except for the fact that most people who accept evolution are in the USA are Christian.


31 posted on 04/15/2006 12:15:06 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: SirLinksalot
Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God

Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in Global Warming

32 posted on 04/15/2006 12:15:33 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"... are in the USA are Christian."

I mangled that sentence. lol
33 posted on 04/15/2006 12:15:46 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: SirLinksalot
"Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo."

ID'ers are such a bunch of whining Drama Queens and professional victims.
34 posted on 04/15/2006 12:17:35 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Alter Kaker
The environment and potential sexual partners each select.

Nope the question still remains these could simply predesigned traits that existed in these sexual partners. "After their own kind" as the book of Genesis would say.

This example you gave Does not undermine Intelligent Design at all.
35 posted on 04/15/2006 12:18:39 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: opinionator
Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in Global Warming

Survey shows 100% of scientists believe in Newton's law of gravity.
36 posted on 04/15/2006 12:19:54 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: Alter Kaker
Accepting evolution and believing in God are not mutually exclusive.


Yes they are.


I also accept evolution and believe in God.

I don't find it mutually exclusive one bit.
37 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:03 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Nope the question still remains these could simply predesigned traits that existed in these sexual partners. "After their own kind" as the book of Genesis would say. This example you gave Does not undermine Intelligent Design at all.

You didn't ask me to undermine ID, you asked me "who selects" according to the theory of evolution, and I gave you the answer.

38 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:21 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Except for the fact that most people who accept evolution are in the USA are Christian.

Christians that have be corrupted by atheists?

39 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:28 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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"Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp."

Not being an atheist doesn't mean you buy into the ID drivel.


40 posted on 04/15/2006 12:20:40 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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