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Senate immigration overhaul in doubt
Reuters ^ | 4/6/06 | Donna Smith

Posted on 04/06/2006 9:57:04 PM PDT by SUSSA

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. Senate compromise on an overhaul of immigration law appeared to get bogged down late on Thursday in the face of opposition by some Republicans who say it would give amnesty to lawbreakers.

It appeared unlikely the Senate would approve before a two-week congressional break on Friday the radical immigration reform that would give millions of illegal immigrants a chance to earn U.S. citizenship.

The bill's backers expressed fear that failure to enact the legislation before lawmakers leave for their spring break could hurt its chances in a congressional election year.

Senate Republican Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee and Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada earlier hailed a "breakthrough" on the compromise bill that would include a guest worker program sought by President George W. Bush.

But the two leaders were unable to agree on how many amendments to the bill would be allowed.

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; congress; criminals; illegal; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; mexico; openborders; rinos; sellout; shamnesty; sovereignty; traitors
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To: SUSSA

It is struggling for passage because of amendments not being added? LOL

Oh give me a break.

Usually it's the other way around. A good bill is wrecked by amendments. A good bill can and should stand on its own.

IF this isn't an orchestrated stunt in the U.S. Senate to enable a weaker, but still bad bill...

Then it's not being held up by amendments. It's held up because Senators are afraid they've pushed LEGAL American citizens that VOTE too far.


41 posted on 04/06/2006 11:04:04 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ("No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act" - (quote: Jeff Sessions) - 4/6/06)
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To: Travis McGee
The RINO Quislings are going to be wiped out in 2006, and they are going to wonder what hit them.

They have been told enough times, so if they haven't realized it by now, I don't know what it is going to take to get their attention. One thing that Frist needs to do is fine his spine and kill this sellout immigration bill. Next we need from the Republican leadership some Straight Talk, not from but to the Straight Talk man himself Senator McCain. GOP leadership should tell McCain that he needs to shut up and to quit making deals with the likes of Kennedy and Feingold. The GOP leadership needs to make him understand that he is not Senate majority leader, he is not President and will never be because the base hates his guts. If McCain wants to go support his Dim friends, so be it. He is welcome to move to the other side of the aisle. McCain won't because he would get his head handed to him in the next election.

42 posted on 04/06/2006 11:06:15 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: Cato1
Are you aware most immigrant groups, with the exception of Cubans, vote over whelming Democrat?

Are you aware that support for abortion is one of the Sacraments for the Democrat Party.

I'm hardly one to claim to speak for Mind of God, but I think he loves his precious infants more.
43 posted on 04/06/2006 11:06:27 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Soul Seeker

Then it's not being held up by amendments. It's held up because Senators are afraid they've pushed LEGAL American citizens that VOTE too far.

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Yes, you're right.


44 posted on 04/06/2006 11:06:37 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: olinr
I am for trying to solve this problem. Its my viewpoint this whole political idea of deporting all illegal aliens will not happen. Its Dreamland. I want the problem solved or least started to be solved. Some of the stuff that was added on in the Senate Bill makes sense to me. If that can melded with tough enforcement I can live with it.

As to the Cardinal comments. I am not sure what laws you are mentioning. I suppose its that priests and church workers that provide ministry to these people and that their work could be illegal. However, I have been informed by many here the Church would be exempt. I think what many Catholics(not all) are concerned about is that the underlying law is just and not out of proportion to the problem. People of course can differ in good faith about that.
45 posted on 04/06/2006 11:10:26 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: SUSSA
But the two leaders were unable to agree on how many amendments to the bill would be allowed.

IOW: Reid doesn't want any increase in border security that would keep out those who will be seeking amnesty in 20 years.

46 posted on 04/06/2006 11:11:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: olinr
Third-world education for our children

Wait until the illegals become eligible for College Student Aid. Legal kids from poor families will not be able to get an education.

47 posted on 04/06/2006 11:22:29 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
You stated: "Last I heard, the vote for cloture on the compromise bill was 10:30 or 11:30 EDT this morning. Assuming the Dems hold together as a block, they'd need 15 Republicans to get to cloture.

Even if all the usual suspects vote for cloture (i.e. Specter, Chaffee, Snow, Collins, Chaffee, Graham, McCain) they'd still need another 8. Hagel and Menendez will vote for cloture since it's their compromise bill, so that brings it to 6. Frist will be interesting to watch - he has to know that a "yes" vote dooms any chance he has at the nomination.

Have you heard of any other Pubbies in support yet? Interesting that it hasn't been breathlessly reported that the votes needed have been reached. "

FYI the vote for cloture was defeated 39 for 60 against. All Republicans voted nay and 3 democrats voted nay the rest voted yea. The Dems were Conrad and Dorgan from North Dakota and Byrd from West Virginia.

I would say the Pubbies must have called in for their messages.

Keep the pressure on until you hear they are adjourning.

:)Easy Does It:)

The status of current bills and pending and past bills can be found at numbersusa.com. Click here.

48 posted on 04/06/2006 11:23:16 PM PDT by eazdzit (Vote AGAINST All CFR, NWO PuboCrats !! CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!!)
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To: goldstategop
The Senate GOP passes ANY amnesty, they will deserve to forfeit their majority. They must think the base is stupid.

They don't think "the base" is stupid.

They think "the base" is OWNED.

They think that they can do whatever the hell they want, and then whip us into line by going "Boo! What are you gonna do, vote for Hillary?"

So, the question of the hour -- are we OWNED?

Frankly, I have come to the same conclusion that the "G"OP focus groups and analysts have come to: Yes, we are OWNED. They can $#!+ on us day after day, and come election day, they'll go "Boo! Hillary!", and we'll go all weak in the bowels, and race down to the precinct and vote "R" as fast as our feet can go.

49 posted on 04/06/2006 11:31:27 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: flashbunny
Are you really that dense or is that sarcasm???

He might just be a #2, trying to pay his bills.

See my profile page...

50 posted on 04/06/2006 11:37:35 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: olinr
Does this mean that WE can ignore any law we want to? How about paying taxes, or stopping at a Stop Sign?

Maybe. But first we'd have to go to Mexico, and then sneak back across the border.

51 posted on 04/06/2006 11:39:22 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: truth_seeker
You asked: "Which Senators have voted which way, yet?"

See post 48 here.

:)Easy Does It:)

52 posted on 04/06/2006 11:40:34 PM PDT by eazdzit (Vote AGAINST All CFR, NWO PuboCrats !! CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!!)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
Bump.
53 posted on 04/06/2006 11:42:32 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: catholicfreeper
I am for trying to solve this problem. Its my viewpoint this whole political idea of deporting all illegal aliens will not happen.

Read THIS!

54 posted on 04/06/2006 11:43:08 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: SUSSA
I'm pleading with those of you who haven't already joined to join FAIR and NumbersUSA because discussion on this board, albeit cathartic, won't get our senators to get some moral fortitude. Here's a partial message from USA for your consideration and action Friday morning. Our future depend on your demanding a no vote on cloture:

www.NumbersUSA.com

Phone your Senators one last time before the scheduled 9:30 a.m. vote on the Hagel amnesty. The Senate switchboard is 202-224-3121 . Key messages are: "The Hagel/Martinez substitute is 95% of the Judiciary Committee's amnesty that was voted down Thursday. Oppose the Hagel amnesty and vote NO on cloture that would bring the Hagel amnesty to a vote.

This offers an amnesty path to citizenship for nearly all the illegal aliens in this country. If you vote for cloture, your constituents will know that you have supported amnesty."

In all my years on FreeRepublic, I have not experienced as much despair over our future as I do now. I hope you join these organizations and set the FAXes and telephones burning before the Senate vote takes place.

Thank you . . . Penny


55 posted on 04/07/2006 12:36:47 AM PDT by Penny
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To: SUSSA

On a KFYI (Phoenix) news clip today John McCain said ".... compared to what we have now, this (reform) bill is nirvana."


56 posted on 04/07/2006 12:39:52 AM PDT by gipper81
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To: Plutarch

Smoke from the tar pots and plucked chickens running about clued them in.


57 posted on 04/07/2006 1:09:37 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: SUSSA

Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure


58 posted on 04/07/2006 1:11:16 AM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: catholicfreeper

Take a hike... You are clueless


59 posted on 04/07/2006 1:14:47 AM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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To: Cato1

They became criminals the instant they crossed the border without legal entry papers. period.


60 posted on 04/07/2006 1:20:57 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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