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Romney to Sign Mandatory Health Bill
NewsMax.com ^ | April 4, 2006 | NewsMax Staff

Posted on 04/05/2006 7:05:04 AM PDT by CSM

Tuesday, April 4, 2006 10:54 p.m. EDT Romney to Sign Mandatory Health Bill

BOSTON -- Lawmakers overwhelmingly approved a bill Tuesday that would make Massachusetts the first state to require that all its citizens have some form of health insurance.

The plan — approved just 24 hours after the final details were released — would use a combination of financial incentives and penalties to dramatically expand access to health care over the next three years and extend coverage to the state's estimated 500,000 uninsured.

If all goes as planned, poor people will be offered free or heavily subsidized coverage; those who can afford insurance but refuse to get it will face increasing tax penalties until they obtain coverage; and those already insured will see a modest drop in their premiums.

The measure does not call for new taxes but would require businesses that do not offer insurance to pay a $295 annual fee per employee.

The cost was put at $316 million in the first year, and more than a $1 billion by the third year, with much of that money coming from federal reimbursements and existing state spending, officials said.

The House approved the bill on a 154-2 vote. The Senate endorsed it 37-0.

A final procedural vote is needed in both chambers of the Democratic-controlled legislature before the bill can head to the desk of Gov. Mitt Romney, a potential Republican candidate for president in 2008. Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said the governor would sign the bill but would make some changes that wouldn't "affect the main purpose of the bill."

Legislators praised the effort.

"It's only fitting that Massachusetts would set forward and produce the most comprehensive, all-encompassing health care reform bill in the country," said House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi, a Democrat. "Do we know whether this is perfect or not? No, because it's never been done before."

The only other state to come close to the Massachusetts plan is Maine, which passed a law in 2003 to dramatically expand health care. That plan relies largely on voluntary compliance.

"What Massachusetts is doing, who they are covering, how they're crafting it, especially the individual requirement, that's all unique," said Laura Tobler, a health policy analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The plan hinges in part on two key sections: the $295-per-employee business assessment and a so-called "individual mandate," requiring every citizen who can afford it to obtain health insurance or face increasing tax penalties.

Liberals typically support employer mandates, while conservatives generally back individual responsibility.

"The novelty of what's happened in this building is that instead of saying, `Let's do neither,' leaders are saying, `Let's do both,'" said John McDonough of Health Care for All. "This will have a ripple effect across the country."

The state's poorest — single adults making $9,500 or less a year — will have access to health coverage with no premiums or deductibles.

Those living at up to 300 percent of the federal poverty level, or about $48,000 for a family of three, will be able to get health coverage on a sliding scale, also with no deductibles.

The vast majority of Massachusetts residents who are already insured could see a modest easing of their premiums.

Individuals deemed able but unwilling to purchase health care could face fines of more than $1,000 a year by the state if they don't get insurance.

Romney pushed vigorously for the individual mandate and called the legislation "something historic, truly landmark, a once-in-a-generation opportunity."

One goal of the bill is to protect $385 million pledged by the federal government over each of the next two years if the state can show it is on a path to reducing its number of uninsured.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has threatened to withhold the money if the state does not have a plan up and running by July 1.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: commonwealth; dukakisii; fakerepublican; healthypeople; healthypeople2010; hillaryromneycare; rinomoron; rinowatch; romney; romneytherino; socialismuberalles
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To: JRochelle
Review my post on all threads. Recently, on a thread where Michael savage and the RC church is discussed, I note my faith tradition. I am a Protestant, faithful, however, married a RC women whom I adore, have children, and because I love my father-in-law and since he asked me to bring our children up Roman Catholic (RC) I do. I go to the RCC parish and attend the local Congregational church, attend the men's ministry at the local Methodist church, and attend the occasional PK events.

What I have in common with Mitt Romney is intelligence, good looks (I wish I had his, BTW), love for wife, family, and country, and a strict adherence to old fashioned values of honesty and faithfulness. I like Mitt because he is like me and not like so many I deal with every day.

If I offer an opinion of something, I better have some facts to back it up. I do not base my opinion of one on the judgment of another or a group as so many do on these threads.
341 posted on 04/06/2006 10:40:39 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: CSM
First, there is no such thing as government provided anything, let alone insurance. It is provided by you and me in the form of higher taxes, but mostly for the insured, higher premiums because the cost of every treatment must reflect the losses of those that aren't covered of those who are uninsured.

The plan causes those who seek treatment to show an insurance card (based on what I know of the plan that has been discussed over the years as the plan is and has been worked on for several years) and if they can't, they are counseled and based on their income they are offered to or ordered to if they don't agree to buy insurance. They will be assessed a tax to pay for it or they can go and buy it privately. This system will force the mid-income deadbeats to assume responsibility for their actions. The government is subsidizing responsibility through a good kick in the pants.

You might ask, why do I not talk about the very poor? Well, as in most states, there are already insurance plans to deal with that. The Mass. plan is an method to engage those who have resources to pay to do so. So what is wrong with that?
342 posted on 04/06/2006 10:50:36 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: massgopguy
Well, tell her that Virginia is a 75 minute flight, that along the coast we get very little snowfall (I don't even own a snowshovel any more), and houses are more affordable. But 9% sales tax on everything as far as a politicians eye can see.
343 posted on 04/06/2006 10:54:10 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: newguy357

Without going back to exactly what I wrote, but since I have a photographic memory, even at my advanced age of 40-ish, I know what I said, and I said that everyone will need insurance (or catastrophic health care) if one lives long enough. Lives long enough, see, I'll say it again, lives long enough. And enough of the likes of you, as I already wasted too much time teaching you the concept of the English language.


344 posted on 04/06/2006 10:57:02 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: visualops

Yeah, and why require auto insurance either.


345 posted on 04/06/2006 11:03:09 AM PDT by kenavi ("You must accept the truth from whatever source it comes." Rambam)
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To: CSM

Mit ought to veto the damn bill and make the state legislators take the blame when it bankrupts Mass...


346 posted on 04/06/2006 11:22:11 AM PDT by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: CSM

That's what a socialist dictatorship does, tells people how to live and takes away their property (salary, financial assets, real estate, intellectual property)without due process or just compensation in order to give it to someone else. People should be reminded that the word Nazi (Hitler's party) stands for National Socialism. Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Marx and the proponents of socialized medicine have a lot in common. The Massachusetts plan will ultimately collapse, then the demagogues will want all MA residents to receive Federal medical care. Other states will imitate MA, and also fail. It's a big step in the wrong direction. Socialized medicine will destroy our economy.


347 posted on 04/06/2006 11:30:45 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: al_again

You said, "How is the state gov't doing this against the principles of the constitution?"

Answer: The U.S. Constitution applies to all the States.


You said, "My guess (and it is only a guess) is that you are provided your health care through a company. In the last year I started my own business and the health care aspect of this has been a nightmare."

Answer: No, I've operated my own company for ten years, and paid for health insurance. It sounds like you might be able to find a better insurance company. ???


348 posted on 04/06/2006 11:35:06 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: Final Authority

"The Mass. plan is an method to engage those who have resources to pay to do so. So what is wrong with that?"

A better question would be to ask what is right with that? I don't advocate the government dictation as to how I allocate my resources and I don't consider the government to be a good instrument to measure "means." All that the state of Mass is proposing is a shifting of the current costs, they are doing nothing to address the root cause of the problem.

To have it supported on FR is very sad, but not surprising considering many FR members support other aspects of socialism.


349 posted on 04/06/2006 11:57:33 AM PDT by CSM (Liberalism is a disease. FreeRepublic is the antidote. - Mindbender26, 3/29/2006)
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To: pleikumud
Answer: The U.S. Constitution applies to all the States.

The constition enumerates certain powers to the federal gov't and the rest to the state. I don't see how states passing health-care legislation violates any part of the constitution.

No, I've operated my own company for ten years

Then get back to work! We are losing money while posting to silly message boards :)

350 posted on 04/06/2006 12:03:49 PM PDT by al_again
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To: CSM

Take notes, between the mandatory health care and the Senate Bill we are witnessing the decline of America as we knew it.


351 posted on 04/06/2006 12:09:38 PM PDT by JayAr36
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To: CSM
Based on your 349, although that may be considered to be a valid point, you must declare what you would agree to as a measure as having many uninsured people seeking health care would entail.

If in fact the government did not expect people to have health insurance, would you also agree that government shouldn't pay anything to provide health care? And, if that is the case, would it also be agreeable to you to rescind any laws or case law that makes hospitals who are of a certain tax status that requires them to provide health care treatment without regard of payment? And, if that is the case, would you be agreeable to allowing the dead and dying to be just set aside and dragged off to some pit as they decompose?

Would you in essence, be agreeable to having a health care system only for those who can pay and none, I mean none, for those who either can't pay or who have not made the effort to buy insurance?

If the later is the case, then say so, please, as I and others need to know exactly the dynamics of the argument.

Since the government is not anything other than us, who make up the government and pay the bills, the government is only a conduit for the distribution of the charity that the voters agree on. It has become customary in this culture that we do not allow people to die in the streets because of a lack of health care and treatment. This plan just makes those who can pay, do, and identifies those who can't and provides a minimal level of insurance to them.

To not support this is to invite a socialist system of national health care. The folks in Massachusetts are working to hold off that apparent eventuality.
352 posted on 04/06/2006 2:08:54 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Jeff Head

""The great banner state of liberty from the 1770s is going down (and has been for a long time) a socialistic path which is nothing more than communism/marxism light and is intended to lead there.""



MA isnt going down the path of socialism, theyve been there for over 50 years


353 posted on 04/06/2006 2:47:57 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: Final Authority
but insurance is for the catastrophic kind of treatments that if we live long enough, everybody will need it.

You seem to be implying that catastrophic medical costs are limited to ailments caused by old age, and that ain't the case. There are huge costs associated with "dread diseases" such as cancer and with putting you back together after an automobile accident.

354 posted on 04/06/2006 4:58:01 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: kenavi

Apples and oranges really.
The only mandatory car insurance (by law) is liability. That car insurance is not for you, but the OTHER guy. Comprehensive/collision is only required by a lender with a lien (to protect what is still their property).


355 posted on 04/06/2006 5:21:35 PM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com ...Crime shouldn't pay: support LEGAL immigration...)
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To: Petronski
Turn out the lights, Mitt Romney's over....

Say goodnight Mitt

G'night Mitt.

356 posted on 04/06/2006 5:23:01 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident)
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To: CSM
The measure does not call for new taxes but would require businesses that do not offer insurance to pay a $295 annual fee per employee.

Orwellian speak.

357 posted on 04/06/2006 5:25:11 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Mandatory Health Bill, Kiss your FREEDOM goodby


358 posted on 04/06/2006 5:30:44 PM PDT by cope85
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To: VanDeKoik


Romney just lost all hope of being elected. What a fool this man is turning out to be, he has done some good things here in MA but this stooooopid health care thing is not one of them, poor poor Mitt, he's becoming a democrat and doesn't even know it. Tsk tsk tsk Mitt, get a grip before it's too late!


359 posted on 04/06/2006 5:37:54 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: visualops


Astute observation, doing business here in the "commonwealth" is difficult enough what with all the rules, regulations and day to day BS including taxes, etc., now throw this idiotic measure in and there's no room for business growth, lawmakers in MA are trying to kill the economy in this State and much to my horror, they are succeeding.


360 posted on 04/06/2006 5:40:52 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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