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To: JRios1968; Aeronaut

This is from one of the instructors re: the C5 crash:




This has really turned fascinating. A good buddy of mine was a Stan Eval guy in the wing at Dover and still has connections. He gave me the current skinny on the crash--none of it official--until the board says so.

It was not a bird ingestion but a "reverser unlock" on the #2 engine that started this. They lost a C-5 with all aboard a few years back in Germany for the same cause. This crew however shut down the engine before an actual unstow took place. The airplane was well over 700K gross weight with FOB of over 300K. The airplane had the newest version of the C-5 flight deck with big panel glass. Unfortunately, only one of the three pilots was really comfortable with the new equipment and FMS.

The crew decided because of their weight to fly their approach to the longest runway, which unfortunately was only being served that day by a Tacan (fancy VOR for you civilian types) approach. They also decided to fly a full flap approach to keep the approach speed down. This isn't prohibited--just highly discouraged. The recommended flap setting for a three engine approach is Flaps 40. During the approach the crew became worried about not having enough power to fly a full flap approach and selected flaps 40--which they were now too slow for. Here's the point all you glass cockpit guys should sit up and take notice about. The one guy who was familiar with the new glass and FMS was also the one flying the aircraft. He became distracted inputting the new approach speed in the FMS. There was also some confusion about just who was flying the A/C while he had his head down updating the speed. Long story short--they got way slow and into the shaker, and actually stuck the tail into the trees and it departed the aircraft first. The nose pitched down hard and the nose and left wing impacted next snapping off the nose. Several cockpit occupants suffered spinal compression injuries. The guys sitting at the crew table behind the cockpit actually came to a stop with their legs dangling out over the ground.

The miracle of this was the left outboard fuel tank was broken open and none of that fuel managed to find something hot enough to ignite it and the other 300k. Again, a bunch of very lucky people.


276 posted on 04/12/2006 9:06:36 AM PDT by Dashing Dasher (To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. -- Elbert Hubbard)
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To: Dashing Dasher

I read this and my fairly well-trained eye (I attended the Air Force Crash Investigation Course a few years ago,) actually can see it develop in that very sequence. My observation upon seeing the pictures in the media (and some that never made the media) agrees with this scenario.

Unfortunately, I can't discuss much further, as it's starting to look like I am a prime candidate to be part of the Accident Investigation Board...


277 posted on 04/12/2006 5:09:19 PM PDT by JRios1968 (E=mc3...the origin of "friends don't let friends derive drunk.")
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