[trubluolyguy]

But it's being challenged in a five-year study that concludes millions of undereducated Americans are without work in a labor market oversaturated by illegal immigrants.

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Bingo. Turn them in Americans. Turn the employers into ICE, as often and as publicly as needed to get action.

[John Filson]

More importantly, he added, the research concluded that illegal immigration had a direct effect on job loss for native-born workers.

That was part of the plan, though. Effective wages for many jobs have fallen to subsistence levels, and the illegal and massive legal waves of immigration abetted by America's elites make this possible. From America's colonial beginnings, slave labor was seen as essential for the Commonwealth insitutions that sought profit here.

Not much has changed in 400 years.

[taxed2death]

.....need to send this to William Kristol so he can get a dose of reality.

[planekT]

Good morning B4Ranch!

[Brad’s Gramma]

Guten Morgen, Herr B4!

Liebe,
Helga


:)

[sheana]

I have listened to all sides of the guest worker/amnesty debate. I have heard from Democrats and Republicans:
1. The poor hard working illegals, what they go though to get here, Mexico is sooooo poor
2. poor big business, they need the labor
3. there are jobs that Americans won't do (barf)
4. The parties (Dems and Repubs) can't peeve off the hispanic voting base and illegals.

The one thing that I have NOT heard from these politicians is concern for the American citizen and what we want. Every reliable poll out there says we are tired of illegal immigration and want the borders secured....not a guest worker program.

If/when this amnesty passes it will be total proof that we do NOT have a representative government any longer. What do we do then?

[manwiththehands]

I detest the worn-out assertion that migrant felons do the jobs "Americans aren't willing to do." I hear it so often it's a cliche'. And it's a lie. Always has been, always will be.

And we could probably have many of these jobs done even cheaper by (US) prison chain gangs.

[moehoward]

CIS bump

[Ben Ficklin]

There are two very easy ways to dispute Camrota.

Look at the help wanted ads in the newapaper
Do a Google news search of "labor" + "shortage"

[little jeremiah]

Haven't read the whole thing but it looks interesting.

[EverOnward]

bump

[hispanichoosier]

The article should say: illegals are willing to perform work at wages lower than those that are acceptable to native-born Americans. An illegal alien is willing to provide labor at a price lower than the price demanded by native-borns. This is merely a pricing issue. If native-born Americans were willing to underprice illegals, then native-born Americans would get the jobs currently going to illegals. The solution for native-born Americans is either to (1) charge less for their labor (i.e. lobby for a repeal of minimum-wage laws and allow the free market to set wages), (2) punish companies that hire illegal aliens, or (3) find work that requires a higher degree of skill and, commensurately, offers more pay.

I doubt that (1) is a workable solution because too many people are set in their ways and just don't want to believe that their labor is worth less today than ten years ago.

Number (2) is possible, but showing that a manager knew that a person was an illegal alien is problematic inasmuch as the black market in fake papers is thriving and producing high-quality products...oh, and that presumption of innocence doesn't help either.

Number (3) is possible except for laziness. Too many people don't want to go to school to be re-trained...they just want to keep doing what they've been doing for a decade or two despite the fact that their labor is worth less.

If the War on Drugs has taught us anything, border interception will not work because market forces are too strong. Drug addicts have an almost insatiable demand for drugs, and--despite risks--drug kingpins are more than willing to supply their demand. Similarly, American companies want cheap labor, and illegal aliens are willing to provide cheap labor. Increased border enforcement will only lead to more inventive ways of smuggling illegal aliens across the borders.

I'd propose a combination of (1) and (3). I think that the federal minimum wage should be phased out over 5 years. During that time, some federal debt should be floated and the proceeds used to allow native-born workers in labor-intensive industries (such as meatpacking) to retrain themselves in more high-tech areas.

[Freee-dame]

jobs Americans won't do

:How about : don't want to do? If a person can live on welfare or off of another person who works/collects benefits, why would he do dirty, hard, low-payed work. End all benefits for able bodied people and attitudes about such work will change.

We also need to get over our fixation that every American should go to college. A tremendous amount of work, both skilled and unskilled, does not need any college. Young people hear a constant drumbeat about college to the point that they hear they are not worthy if they do not go to college, a false message, IMHO

[kellynla]

BTTT

[eazdzit]

Take a look at these threads and see what you think. It is something we can do.

DOUG from Upland started with this thread U.S. BORDER PATROL: Turn In Illegal Aliens (and EMPLOYERS, followed by this one U.S. BORDER CONTROL Turn in illegal aliens

Go to either thread for more details on what to do. The TOLL FREE number to report ILLEGAL aliens or those employing ILLEGAL aliens to ICE is: 866-347-2423

How it works:

You are not required to provide your identity to ICE. All that is necessary to request an investigation by ICE is mere suspicion of any activity by ILLEGAL aliens.

ICE and the IRS are especially interested in "visiting" those businesses that employ ILLEGALS "off the books" to avoid the payment of payroll taxes.

Latinos Plan Nationwide Worker Strike

I suggest looking around and see if you might spot a suspect. At work, at school, at a job sight, Micky D's, Store etc.

On the day(current plan is May 1) of this march check to see if you can determine if someone took the day off. Confirming grounds for suspicion.

Then MAKE THE CALLAgain the number is 866-347-2423

:) Easy Does It

[rimmont]

``Illegal immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do.''

Is the President so retarded in his thinking and understanding of this issue that he still believes this? Or is he being disingenuous? Scary either way!

[doug from upland]

Hiring Illegal Aliens violates federal law INA {Sec. 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)}
Penalties: imprisonment-criminal fines-asset forfeiture
Report Employers/Illegal Employees
Bureau of Immigration & Customs Enforcement @ 303-371-3841 x 301
Verify SS#/name @ 1-800-772-6270
Report SS# Fraud @ 1-800-269-0271

[danamco]

Have we not here on F.R. been bashing the E.U. for their problems with the muzzies there, also?

And then, are we not living in a kind of "Glass-House" in the U.S. at present time??

How about the baby-boomer's children that is being so overly protected from NOT allowed to work in the name of the screwed culture misguided notion "Child-Labor" kooks; that is so terrible that we cannot allow them to start working. The fact is that they now instead are sitting 7 hours a day in front of the TV eating potato chips and being extremely overweight and unhealthy that soon will cost us tax payers an increase in health-care for their obesity???

Who is to blame for that, the politicians or the parents????
I'm 75 and started working at 15 and never had any adverse side effect from that, and I'm still going strong!!!
Hmmmm!??!

[MaineVoter2002]

UNemployment rate for 2005 according to DOL was 5.1%, which equals 7,591,000 workers. (http://www.bls.gov/cps/home.htm). Illegal aliens in country app.10,000,000. Reduce illegals by 7,000,000 and we get almost full employment . Yes I realize we must have some unemployed for job growth , not sure of the exact amount. Does it really matter?? If 6,000,000 of the 7,591,000 got jobs it would be a huge improvement. I can't really find how many illegals actuallly have jobs but the people protesting say they are all working LOL. So that's 10,000,000 jobs not being taken by AMERICANS. IF there is a worker shortage then wages go up, also not a bad thing. Don't care how much it is going to cost to round em up and ship them out. How much do we pay in welfare and unemployment bebefits?? Probably more than what it would cost to round em up and ship them out.

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