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What's Happening to Boys? [WaPo op-ed column]
Washington Post ^ | 3/30/06 | Leonard Sax

Posted on 03/31/2006 4:35:06 AM PST by Timeout

What's Happening to Boys?

The romantic comedy "Failure to Launch," which opened as the No. 1 movie in the nation this month, has substantially exceeded pre-launch predictions, taking in more than $64 million in its first three weeks.
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...a young man who is affable, intelligent, good-looking -- and completely unmotivated. He's still living at home and seems to have no ambitions beyond playing video games, hanging out with his buddies (two young men who are also still living with their parents) and having sex.
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...According to the Census Bureau, fully one-third of young men ages 22 to 34 are still living at home with their parents -- a roughly 100 percent increase in the past 20 years. No such change has occurred with regard to young women. Why?
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...We've batted around lots of ideas. Maybe the problem has to do with the way the school curriculum has changed. Maybe it has to do with environmental toxins that affect boys differently than girls (not as crazy an idea as it sounds). Maybe it has to do with changes in the workforce, with fewer blue-collar jobs and more emphasis on the service industry. Maybe it's some combination of all of the above, or other factors we haven't yet identified.

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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
So they did not promote on merit and these young men can't compete without being artificially propped up?

It's been so long since the personnel world was normal that people forget: Married men are more productive and hard-working than unmarried men or women. George Gilder's Men and Marriage has excellent stats on this, and there are no doubt more recent sources, too.

Hiring is a process where you estimate future behavior as well as past experience and qualifications. That's why a married man, in the real world, gets extra points for being who he is.

Ignoring "life-style" factors in a hire is objectively insane, but employers are under immense legal and cultural pressure to pretend that a married man who lives in the suburbs and a single gal with a nose ring who lives in a bad part of Brooklyn and goes to clubs at night—who happen to have gone to the same college—are equally qualified. From an employer's point of view, she's more of a risk for being unreliable, but he's not supposed to take that into account.

The cultural logic of today's human-resources culture:

Failing to discriminate against men = artificially propping men up.

21 posted on 03/31/2006 5:00:56 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Even easier than that one: Pack Jr's "stuff" in the green plastic garbage sacks and tell him, "Your stuff is going to the curb on Monday. Trash pick up is Tuesday".

CC&E

22 posted on 03/31/2006 5:01:37 AM PST by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (Be nice, I'm new here)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

No, it is not insulting to men of past generations. I can remember when women didn't work, at all, there was no birth control, and marriage was promoted by shotgun.


23 posted on 03/31/2006 5:02:04 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Timeout
"What's happened to boys? There's an obvious answer you didn't mention: diminished societal expectations."

- I believe you have stated the core issue but I think that the reasons for this diminuation go beyond just the role expected of boys in a breadwinner/family situation.
I despaired of my two sons when they spent most of their twenties in aimless odd jobs, mooching about in an aimless manner.
In their late twenties, for different reasons, they both got their act together and now hold responsible jobs and are doing better than I did after 30 years of work. But somewhere in the mix, they both lost about a decade of their lives before they finally got it together.
So far, I don't think the situation has gotten hopeless, but boys are taking longer to "grow up" and take on responsibility that they once had to when they turned eighteen.
The reasons are complex, but the educational system must take a lot of the blame along with the increased affluence they see around them which lowers their sense of priority for the need to, "earn a living".
24 posted on 03/31/2006 5:02:14 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Timeout
Shew Lord, I love my boys but come 18 or 19 they're out the door and on their own. They will learn to work out of necessity. I'd lay the blame on parents.
25 posted on 03/31/2006 5:02:27 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: bella1

I'm inclined to agree. I joined the Navy at 18, went to college at 25, and became an engineer. I don't look at myself as being super motivated or super smart (I graduated college with a 3.2 GPA and it was a battle to get those grades). The first step is the hardest, the world is full of people whose only barrier is that they never made an attempt.


26 posted on 03/31/2006 5:03:31 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Timeout

shoot....my parents had me out of the house every am at age 10 doing a paper route....by high school working two summer jobs...would'nt even have had the nerve to think about returning home after college....my father raised my brother and I to be independent and proud of it.


27 posted on 03/31/2006 5:03:37 AM PST by mo
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To: Timeout

 

"Environmental toxin"????

28 posted on 03/31/2006 5:03:43 AM PST by Fintan (Hey, you can't make this stuff up.)
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To: Timeout
Mr. Sax actually brushes up against Ayn Rand and totally misses the import of the quote he uses.

liberalism/socialism turning off the motor is certainly a contributor to changing interests.

prior to 20 years ago it was harder to get food, shelter, sex and entertainment without a decent job. prior to 50 years ago it was downright impossible. at home now with the folks you can easily get three of these necessities. with the government and girls being easy who needs a life?

29 posted on 03/31/2006 5:03:52 AM PST by alrea
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To: bella1

I agree parents are partly to blame--some can't deal with the thought of losing their "kids". My son is a HS junior, but my wife doesn't want him going off to school--she wants him going to a closer (but inferior) college. She's also starting to talk about how he can live here (or at least close to home) after he graduates. On the other hand, I want him to get out and experience life. IMHO, I'm not doing him (or me) any favors when by keeping him in the nest. All my wife can think of is that she doesn't want to lose her little boy. [On the other hand, I want my daughter close to home so I can keep an eye on her.]

It used to be that you weren't looked at as a "man" until you got out on your own, fended for yourself, and started a family. Unfortunately, the perception of what constitutes being a "man" has changed. Many people think that people who get married in their 20s are suckers.


30 posted on 03/31/2006 5:04:16 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rabidralph

I heard that, and I wondered how estrogen could still be estrogen after it is metabolized. Europeans worry about hormones in our beef, too, but it seems bogus to me.


31 posted on 03/31/2006 5:04:33 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Timeout

Saved


32 posted on 03/31/2006 5:07:53 AM PST by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: rbg81

My, how "conventional" of you! LOL! (I agree with everything you said.)

Yes, parents are to blame. But! How many times have we all complained about a culture that makes a parent's job so much harder? That's the context I was using. Parents might well have a hard time today convincing a boy that his future wife was going to expect him to have a good career and be prepared to protect his family.


33 posted on 03/31/2006 5:10:08 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats!)
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To: Timeout; Harmless Teddy Bear

The employer was looking out for his own interests, which employee is going to work harder to keep the promotion, a single guy who can pick up stakes and move at any time or the man with a wife, two kids and a banker to support?


34 posted on 03/31/2006 5:10:49 AM PST by magslinger (Pray for your enemies, It's like taking a B52 to a gun fight.)
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To: ClaireSolt

I have learned from some business success coaches I know that political ideology is not just a harmless hobby. It also influences success. People who spew leftist ideology about how rotten everything is and how it is rigged by the evil corporations against the little guy and the shrinking middle class which will finally be done in by floods from global warming are programmed to be depressed and pessimistic about their own prospects in life. The coaches are busy reprograming them.


35 posted on 03/31/2006 5:11:49 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Timeout
Maybe it has to do with the fact that young men have no responsibility. They can live at home and have free food, laundry service, Mama's pampering, and all the sex they can handle from single women who don't want committment.

What reason is there for a young man to do any different?

Even if he finds the girl of his dreams, she's going to want to delay marriage until she's played the field, delay children until she has established a carreer, and delay setting up a permanent household until she has exhausted all the entertaining options of city life.

Unless a fellow is a complete self-starter, there is no compelling reason for him to strike out on his own.

36 posted on 03/31/2006 5:13:02 AM PST by bondjamesbond (Rice '08)
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To: Timeout
The only reasons a man in that age group should be living at home with parents are 1) disabled and unable to function independently or 2) in Grad or Med school and is staying at home to save money. I was at home until I was 23. THat's when my scholarisp for my PhD kicked in and I got out ASAP. I really feel pity for the guys I knew that did stay at home and worked their fingers to the bone on the buttons of their game pad.
37 posted on 03/31/2006 5:13:41 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Timeout

"He might give preference to a married man with two babies as opposed to one who was still single and playing the field. That's all I was saying."

Now they prefer single guys, because we can show up for work at 9 in the morning, stay until 9 at night, and work some more on weekends. Married guys can't do that, especially if they have kids.


38 posted on 03/31/2006 5:19:54 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Timeout; Harmless Teddy Bear
The explanation is simple, methinks. To an employer, a stable, conformist, family man is a safe bet. Not only is he showing himself to be governable, maleable, but he also has a strong incentive to buckle under and do whatever the boss says. After all, he's got a wife/kids to look after. I know fellas like that today. They'd treat their jobs differently, but they have kids, so they take it on the chin.

Contrast that with a non-conformist dude with no kids, who doesn't have a lot of pressure on him. That guy is probably too unpredictable, or too ungovernable. Makes sense to me.And that comes from being the ungovernable one.

FWIW, I moved out on my own at age 19 and never looked back.

39 posted on 03/31/2006 5:20:35 AM PST by Huck
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To: Timeout
>> other factors we haven't yet identified

For example....

Could go on, but I think you get the idea......
40 posted on 03/31/2006 5:21:28 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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