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1 posted on 03/30/2006 3:17:31 PM PST by paltz
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The elders of my church prayed a few weeks ago for a member who had stomach cancer, and a return trip to his doctor found the cancer was gone. The doctor's explanation: "It was a miracle." This would indicate that this Reuters-reported study was flawed.


2 posted on 03/30/2006 3:20:27 PM PST by My2Cents ("The essence of American journalism is vulgarity divested of truth." -- Winston Churchill)
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A complete and total misunderstanding of prayer. How nice.


3 posted on 03/30/2006 3:20:37 PM PST by Steamburg (Pretenders everywhere)
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I've been praying for Global Warming!

...typical article for a Rooter-Writer.

4 posted on 03/30/2006 3:20:51 PM PST by TexasCajun
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And there you have it. Some are actually "worse off" because of prayer while none are better off. More road apples!


5 posted on 03/30/2006 3:20:54 PM PST by caisson71
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Well Golly Gee!!!! I guess GOD never took a course in Probability and Statistics for Atheists.


6 posted on 03/30/2006 3:21:27 PM PST by wmileo
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Oh, for pete's sake. It's called faith for a reason.
7 posted on 03/30/2006 3:21:45 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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Pray tell, who funded this study?


8 posted on 03/30/2006 3:22:22 PM PST by 6SJ7
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My first inclination is to say whoever initiated this study has too much time on their hands. On the other hand, they do seven million studies on everything else under the sun, so, in a way, why not?

I do think publishing this result does more harm than good. "Knowledge" isn't positive knowledge given the inevitable gross misinterpretations by hypersecular enthusiasts.

9 posted on 03/30/2006 3:25:08 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/485268.stm

Health

'Healing power of prayer revealed'

Research shows prayer has a beneficial effect

A massive study has found that patients admitted to hospital with heart trouble fare better if someone is praying for them.
None of those involved were told that people were engaging in what is known as "intercessory prayer" on their behalf.

Just over half of these, picked at random, were made the subject of intercessory prayer.

However, on average, the 500 patients prayed for had 11% less complications during their stay in hospital.

In all, the researchers looked at 990 people admitted to the coronary care unit over the course of a year.

Using a standard coronary care scoring system, patients from prayer and non-prayer groups were assessed. Those who were the subject of prayer did better than their fellow patients, although in general, they did not get out of hospital any earlier.

'Could be chance'

The research team, based at a university hospital in Kansas City, US, admitted that no rational explanation could be found to explain away the difference.

But their report said: "We have not proven that God answers prayer or that God even exists. It was intercessory prayer, not the existence of God, that was tested here.

"Chance still remains a possible explanation of our results."

The prayers were said by volunteers from a local church. They were simply sent the patient's first name on a piece of paper, and told to pray for "a speedy recovery with no complications".

Studies inconclusive

Those being prayed for did not even know that a clinical trial was going on, let alone that they were the target of prayer. The scientists believed that knowing that someone was praying for you could conceivably have an effect on outcomes.

Other studies into the effects of intercessory prayer have been inconclusive - it has been found in earlier studies to have no significant effect on leukaemia patients, or those suffering from anxiety or depression.

However, one study into AIDS patients found significant improvements in the number of infections acquired when intercessory prayer was given.

The latest study was published in the Archives of Internal Medicine.


10 posted on 03/30/2006 3:27:33 PM PST by Kimmers (Liberals suck the fun out of life)
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I'm an atheist, but I have a son who is quite religious. I discuss religion with him all the time and he understands my point of view. I think this was a good study although they could have looked into a few other things. Nevertheless, I'm thinking that it might be somewhat cruel to send my son this article.


12 posted on 03/30/2006 3:29:13 PM PST by wideminded
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Since when does it take a study to determine what God has said to be the truth? The only people who put any stock in such a study are atheists and agnostics.


15 posted on 03/30/2006 3:31:47 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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Gideon wanted to see proof, too.


16 posted on 03/30/2006 3:33:13 PM PST by jw777
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quote "One caveat is that with so many individuals receiving prayer from friends and family, as well as personal prayer, it may be impossible to disentangle the effects of study prayer from background prayer"


you always have to read to the end to get the truth.


18 posted on 03/30/2006 3:36:45 PM PST by conservative physics
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Why don't they do a study about whether preschoolers' actually recieve all that they request of their human fathers?

That would be just about as relevent and meaningful as this study.


22 posted on 03/30/2006 3:40:57 PM PST by July4th64 (Give grace... not tolerance.)
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Whoever did this study obviously doesn't understand prayer or the will of God.


23 posted on 03/30/2006 3:41:45 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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Hank the Bible answer man, was answering questions on his radio show. The caller was asking why some people were healed. Hank said sometimes God heals people because it makes him feel good.


24 posted on 03/30/2006 3:42:09 PM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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Prayer works but it's not automatic, you must be "worthy" for it to work for you.


28 posted on 03/30/2006 3:47:54 PM PST by dennisw (____A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject- W Churchill___)
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Ten years ago I almost died. There was a pray vigil for me. Enough said.


29 posted on 03/30/2006 3:50:26 PM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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My opinion is that the most important change that prayer can effect takes place in the person doing the praying. We shouldn't expect God to bend the world for us, but should instead try to live a life in harmony with God; prayer helps us do that.


30 posted on 03/30/2006 3:52:18 PM PST by Avenger
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Study fails to show healing power of prayer

done by the same folks that did the study that showed the American media to be ACCURATE and UNBIASED!

34 posted on 03/30/2006 3:57:37 PM PST by eeevil conservative (I'm not racist- I'm an Equal Opportunity Enemy of ALL LAWBREAKING, TAX DODGING, FENCE CLIMBERS!)
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