Is America ready for another George? (George Allen)

Town Hall ^ | Mar 28, 2006 | Eliot Peace

[defconw]

I am not emotionally or intellectually ready to surrender my current President yet. :)

[Txsleuth]

YAY....I found ONE other freeper that thinks the way I do!!

Thanks

[defconw]

I still think he should run for another term seeings that he was "selected" the first time. :)

[Sonny M]

A person can be pro life or pro abortion and still recognize the Roe decision as a bad one. The personal opinion shouldn't matter.

From the personal opinions, one can also get insight into their ethical character or read into their way of thinking or reasoning.

Many folks who do believe in abortion do think roe was decided incorrectly, but would they as an executive try and overturn roe, would they veto or oppose partial birth abortion bans?

Would the support or oppose parental notification?

And the reasoning behind their personal opinions can also tell you if they are being genuine or if they are simply spitting out what they think the public wants to hear.

No matter who is the GOP nominee, if they are not pro-life and they are not pro-2nd amendment, I will not vote for them.

[defconw]

Freep mail on the way!

[Sonny M]

But I believe he is the only one who can beat Hillary besides Guiliani.

If Rudy gets the nomination, I'm staying home and not voting.

And I know alot of conservatives won't be either.

Whats the point of voting for Rudy if he agrees with Hillary Clinton on every single social issue?

That said, Hillary Clinton couldn't beat hubcap in a presidential election. As long as the GOP puts up someone with a pulse, she's toast.

I will never understand why anyone thinks she can actually win a national election?

[Blackirish]

I think not only partial birth but even late term abortions will be outlawed by 08. getting rid of O'Conner will be the turning point there.

For all the abortion howling on Allen threads his pro-life position may be moot....
and it certainly isn't enough to make him a viable candidate either way.

[Terpfen]

Jeffersonian ideals on limited government.

He's going to cut the size of the military and ban foreign trade?

[MikeA]

That said, Hillary Clinton couldn't beat hubcap in a presidential election. As long as the GOP puts up someone with a pulse, she's toast.

I will never understand why anyone thinks she can actually win a national election?



I don't think we can afford to underestimate her. Just because we don't like nor trust her doesn't mean independent and swing voters don't. In a bad year for the GOP, and if Iraq is still making negative headlines in 08 and you know it will be with our co-opted media, then Hillary has a real shot despite what that fill in host on Limbaugh said today. Sure she won't win Southern states, but she doesn't need to. She merely needs to win 3 marginal states Bush barely won in 04 and she's in, and those would be Ohio, Iowa and New Mexico. And with the terrible shape the GOP is in in Ohio thanks to that corrupt a-hole Bob Taft, Hillary could very well pull off a win there esp. if she appeals to memories of the "great Clinton economy" of the 90s as Ohio continues to suffer under economic malaise.

Let's not fall into the trap of underestimating Hillary. She is beatable but so are we. We need a strong candidate who can draw independent and Democratic votes. Keep in mind Guiliani's social issues positions were what he thought he needed to hold to in order to govern a liberal city like New York City. I have no doubt he'd moderate those views to govern a much more conservative nation as a whole.

And even if not, are you really ready to go back to the corrupt Clinton cabal? I'd rather have Rudy as president cutting taxes, fighting the war on terror and cutting pork spending even if on social issues he's not much different than Hillary. And I'd much rather have him maintaining the honor and dignity of the White House than have that Clinton crowd back in there sullying the presidency. Think about it. Do you REALLY want to help bring about the exhoneration of the "Clinton legacy" a Hillary presidency would constitute? Do you really want to bring back the Scandal of the Month Club again, the selling of the Lincoln Bedroom and the selling of US weapons technology to China for campaign cash one more time? And do you really want to see Bill Clinton's national profile suddenly skyrocket into the renewed prominence that would come from being the country's first First Husband??? Do you now see there would be VAST difference between having a Guiliani as president as versus a Clinton?? Suddenly Rudy doesn't look so bad does he??

[KevinDavis]

That is correct, there is a nice memorial after guy named George who was from Washington..

[CowboyJay]

"He may not have any real chances but I like what he is saying"

The only way he doesn't have a real chance is if people keep believing and repeating that. The man will win in a landslide if he can beat out the well-funded RiNO's for the nomination.

[Blackirish]

Good one Mike. I posted along those line last nite.
With one fist filled with cash and the other filled with IOU's Hillary is a shoo in for the Dem nomination.

Maybe...maybe Gore could take her from the left.,,doubt it.

With unlimited money and rage ...Carvell...Bill Clinton...Sid Viscous...Harold Iches....the Move-On.org ground troops will all be unleashed. Don't even get started on the media. I believe this will be the most ferocious assault in modern politics.

Gulliani or McCaine are the only ones who I can see taking this on....Allen would be roadkill.

[inquest]

Pence would whip her up one side and down the other. And we wouldn't be stuck with McCain/Giuliani liberalism.

[Blackirish]

Pence would whip her up one side and down the other

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I like him a lot. He's competent, good on the issues and fast on his feet he could take her in the debates.....But he has an a looong way to go in regards to name recognition.

I also like Newt but.....prolly not.

[Enduring Freedom]

This is a candidate that can lead America: Senator George Allen.

[inquest]

But he has an a looong way to go in regards to name recognition.

So did Bill Clinton in 1990. If he has a long way to go, then it's time to get moving.

[Enduring Freedom]

Senator George Allen and family.

[Enduring Freedom]

Senator George Allen, future Commander-In-Chief.

[MikeA]

Gulliani or McCaine are the only ones who I can see taking this on....Allen would be roadkill.

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You've got it. You're not going to beat a superstar with a dimbulb. And few people outside of Virginia and right wing politics have heard of Allen nor will be impressed by his odd demeanor and professions of being a Reagan clone. We have to have a candidate voters know and trust and McCain or Rudy are it. Allen just doesn't have heft as is clear by his inability to beat even a half-wit like Barbara Boxer or even to respond to her in a TV appearance on Late Edition back in September. I just cannot believer our fellow Freepers aren't thinking this one out and are just being lead by the rings in their noses by talk radio dogma.

[MikeA]

Why? Because he rides a horse and dons a bollo tie and a cowboy hat? Yet the guy can't even respond to the lies of a half-wit like Barbara Boxer when appearing with her on CNN back in September.