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Is America ready for another George? (George Allen)
Town Hall ^ | Mar 28, 2006 | Eliot Peace

Posted on 03/29/2006 11:02:37 AM PST by Sonny M

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To: inquest

I'm heartened to hear that. Must be that I know the messenger!


141 posted on 03/30/2006 11:40:31 AM PST by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: Enduring Freedom
"You are also full of it, pal. Allen scored over 85 on the National Journal rating for Senators. For comparison, Kennedy scored 3, Kerry scored 13, and your secret fetish Hillary scored 20. ALLEN RANKED 8TH MOST CONSERVATIVE IN AMERICA. Get the facts before you shoot off your mouth."

Go back to kissing your hero Felix's ass, and get off mine. The National Journal rankings are ridiculously skewed. Orrin Hatch and Trent Lott scored as well or better than George Felix. And National Journal considers quite a few at best questionably conservative votes "conservative" in their survey, as well as having used the Brookings Institute to compile the votes.

For instance, NJ considered voting to put federal courts in charge of class action suits conservative. They considered voting against retaining the cap on U.S. contributions to U.N. peacekeeping operations to be conservative. Ditto confirming John Roberts. By that latter measure, 78 of 100% senators are conservative. They also mix in so many other judicial confirmation votes that the survey is certainly bilge.

Yet that's all you have to support Allen? How about these against him? He is for background checks at gun shows. He voted to maintain the offshoring tax subsidy. He voted for the Mikulski amendment to raise the H2-B numbers. He voted against the Sullivan amendment to force non-citizens to register during entry and exit from the U.S. He voted FOR the Kennedy amnesty amendment in 2005--TWICE.

And most important, while Governor, he supported the asinine Clinton-Feinstein gun ban. He oozes closet gun grabber, frankly, and I don't trust him any more than I trust Hillary. And I wouldn't vote for her, contrary to your childish comment otherwise. And the more I learn about Allen, the more I think he's everything the CFR would look for in a President, and the less I think I'd vote for him.

But still, I'd CONSIDER Allen if he'd come out strongly as I suggested above in favor of border control.

142 posted on 03/30/2006 2:42:27 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Allen is pro low taxes, and permanent tax cuts.

He's pro strong military defense.

He's pro family.

He's for responsible gun ownership.

And he can win.

Not a bad beginning, considering no one else can.


143 posted on 03/30/2006 2:49:14 PM PST by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: Enduring Freedom
"Allen is pro low taxes, and permanent tax cuts. He's pro strong military defense. He's pro family. He's for responsible gun ownership. And he can win. Not a bad beginning, considering no one else can."

You can't buy me with tax cuts at the same time you're selling my country. Who defines "responsible?" And Hillary Clinton WON--but I wouldn't vote for her, either. People leveled that "can't win" charge against Reagan, too. But there are certainly other people who according to public perception 'can win' the general election. Acting as if Felix is heir apparent is silly. It's an open field.

144 posted on 03/30/2006 2:56:43 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Acting as if Senator George Allen is not a legitimate and worthy candidate for President of the United States is a fool's game, and undermines the credibility of anyone shilling that farce.


145 posted on 03/30/2006 3:02:59 PM PST by Enduring Freedom (Senator Allen on Democrats: "...let's enjoy knocking their soft teeth down their whiny throats.")
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To: Fudd Fan
If it isn't pro-choice, I want be voting.
146 posted on 03/30/2006 3:07:42 PM PST by buck61
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To: Enduring Freedom
"Acting as if Senator George Allen is not a legitimate and worthy candidate for President of the United States is a fool's game, and undermines the credibility of anyone shilling that farce."

Who's acting as if he's not a legitimate candidate? Every voter decides who's most worthy of their vote. All I'm saying is that I'm not voting for a gun-grabber or an open-borders advocate. Allen may prove to be neither. But until I hear forceful statements from him that renounce his prior pro-gun-control and anti-American-national-sovereignty votes, based upon his record, I'm suspicious of him on both issues.

But your insults, implied or otherwise, are childish and improper. I'm just saying I won't vote for him RIGHT NOW, and would consider him were his stance clarified as I wish. Meanwhile, you claim his worthiness on an amorphous record. What would be clear enough to make you NOT vote Allen? Evidently it doesn't matter all all to you that he was with Feinstein, Clinton and Kennedy on some pretty important issues. Where would you draw the line, or is it all about 'winnability' with you? What if he came out in favor of an assault weapons ban or for a national law against concealed carry? What if he came out for open borders publicly?

147 posted on 03/30/2006 3:38:28 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile
"He oozes closet gun grabber,"

Now, that's FUNNY!
To see "closet gun grabber" whispered about Allen means someone is losing their mind... probably McCain since he has so short a way to go.

Haven't paid much attention to the immigration debate in the Senate since it's all so fluid. The few Allen statements I've seen seem in line with the Kyl plan (they have to go back and reenter legally and there's some "guest worker" plan or something like that ).
What will count is what comes out of conference with the House- if anything.

148 posted on 03/30/2006 4:10:23 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: onyx

Thanks for the ping. Lots of Allen trashing by the usual suspects!


149 posted on 03/30/2006 4:51:42 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion

Strange that some find it necessary to point out perceived faults with other candidates in order to build up their candidate.


150 posted on 03/30/2006 5:07:08 PM PST by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: onyx

And we haven't even begun the horse race yet! Allen hasn't declared if he is running yet.

Believe me, the other candidates fear him and the Democrats fear him....not bad eh?


151 posted on 03/30/2006 5:09:53 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion

He's looking much the best every time I see him or read about him.


152 posted on 03/30/2006 5:10:51 PM PST by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: SDGOP
Thanks for your post 98 concerning our friend MikeA.

I appreciate your insight on MikeA. I was kind of suspicious about him when I saw that he supported McCain. Anyone who supports that guy, well, you wonder what he is doing on FreeRepublic anyhow.

153 posted on 03/30/2006 5:15:17 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Sonny M

He is affiliated with the council on foreign relations and therefore an unsuitable candidate for the presidency.


154 posted on 03/30/2006 5:20:51 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: onyx

Wadhams will lead Allen's campaign for re-election

BY PETER HARDIN
TIMES-DISPATCH WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT Mar 29, 2006


WASHINGTON -- Dick Wadhams, recruited in 2004 by Sen. George Allen to head his Senate staff, will take over the helm of Allen's re-election campaign next month.

Wadhams, 50, a Colorado native, will take a leave of absence from the Senate to start managing Allen's campaign April 10. The Republican senator is expected to make his announcement tour some time that week.

"He's a proven campaign manager. He's a winner. He's an all-star," Allen said yesterday about Wadhams, a nationally known strategist who in 2004 helped engineer the ouster of then-Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle.

Wadhams was likened to a political "pit bull" in 2004 by John Thune, a former Republican congressman from South Dakota who that year defeated Daschle, the Rocky Mountain News reported then.

When Allen campaign manager Jason Miller announced in November he was departing for a South Carolina gubernatorial campaign, Wadhams said he hoped to have a new manager in place by Jan. 1. As the weeks slid by with no announcement, it became expected that Wadhams would switch hats when Allen saw fit.

Former computer-industry lobbyist Harris Miller and former Navy Secretary James Webb will face off in a June Democratic primary for the nomination to challenge Allen, running for a second six-year term.

In a fundraising e-mail last week, Allen said national Democrats were targeting his seat to seek "payback" for 2004, when he headed the Republican Senate arm devoted to electing senators. Republicans increased their Senate majority then by four. Among the challenges facing Wadhams will be helping Allen balance his twin interests in re-election and in exploring a possible White House bid for 2008.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&%09s=1045855935264&c=MGArticle&cid=1137835006282&path=!news!politics


155 posted on 03/30/2006 5:21:01 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Sonny M

156 posted on 03/30/2006 5:25:22 PM PST by texianyankee
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To: Beagle8U
Hildabeast couldn't win against a dead raccoon, or a blank slate

..I love it, Beagle...

157 posted on 03/30/2006 5:28:37 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: mrsmith
"To see "closet gun grabber" whispered about Allen means someone is losing their mind... probably McCain since he has so short a way to go."

Why? I have no interest in voting McCain, who IS a gun grabber. But anyone who initially backed the Feinstein/Clinton gun bill has real room to be questioned on that issue. I cannot imagine a committed advocate for gun rights standing in line with Feinstein anywhere.

"Haven't paid much attention to the immigration debate in the Senate since it's all so fluid. The few Allen statements I've seen seem in line with the Kyl plan (they have to go back and reenter legally and there's some "guest worker" plan or something like that). What will count is what comes out of conference with the House- if anything."

So they do. But I have listed quite a few exceptions to a closed border that Felix voted for, and I'm not gonna be taken in by 'no new amnesties' in 2008. Been there, done that. There had better be strong sentiment from any Congressman against any guest worker plan that involves essently a pardon and retention of currently present illegal workers--those Congressmen who expect to win the middle American vote had better stand up for it.

158 posted on 03/30/2006 5:39:35 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Sonny M

Another candidate may emerge, but right now, Allen looks like the frontrunner.


159 posted on 03/30/2006 5:45:32 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) (If Liberals had as much passion for our troops as they did for Tookie, the war would be over...)
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To: hedgetrimmer
He is affiliated with the council on foreign relations and therefore an unsuitable candidate for the presidency.

Everyone running in 2008 is somehow, someway connected to the council on foreign relations.....meaning 2008 won't have any "suitable" candidates.

160 posted on 03/30/2006 5:57:27 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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