Should you be able to take your gun to work?

KVUE-TV (Austin, TX) ^ | 3/28/06 | Vicente Arenas

[green iguana]

It'd be an awefully small rally though.

For some reason I first read that as: It'd be an awefully smelly rally though...

[mcshot]

I'm with ya dead.

mc

[Potowmack]

The babyseat example is one where there would be an obvious age bias to the policy, making it illegal due to age discrimination.

Age discrimination laws are strange- you are free to discriminate against people because they are too young, but not because they are too old.

[Dead Corpse]

When my employer holds the pink slip to my car, then they can dictate the contents. Period. End of story.

[Shalom Israel]

You can either allow employees to park in your lot, or you can keep the lot for just your onesy. Anything else is dscrimination and deprivation of the equal Rights of others.

I'm afraid that's completely asinine. Having rules always discriminates against rule-breakers. Employers routinely fire employees for fraternization--that's clear discrimination against horny employees, who of course deserve "equal protection"... Rules against tattoos? Blanant civil-rights violation. Dress codes? Puhlease! How discriminatory can you get?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

If all they have to do is run out to the parking lot to get the loaded gun - I'm a goner.

You watch too much TV.

[Dead Corpse]

What is assinine is the employers assertion that an empoyees car ceases to be the employees just because of where it is parked.

[green iguana]

chalked up to bigotry against unattractive men

I'm going to move to an uninhabited island when they make the unattractive, fat or smelly a protected class. And some would consider me to be unattractive, fat and smelly...

[Potowmack]

When my employer holds the pink slip to my car, then they can dictate the contents. Period. End of story.

They can't dictate the contents of your car. They can, however, dictate the rules for parking in their lot. If you refuse to follow those rules, they can deny you the privilege of parking on their property. Furthermore, if you defy the rules surreptitiously and later get caught, they can fire you.

[TexasGunLover]

Think of it this way... does a private property owner (such as a business owner) have the right to say in their employee handbook that you can not park your boats or RV on their property?

Of course they do. It's private property. They can restrict anything they want to just as you could restrict someone from parking in your driveway at home. You own that driveway.

You have the right to follow the rules or not. If they say in the employee handbook or job requirement that you must wear a yellow chicken suit everyday, then you can either wear the yellow chicken suit or work for another company. Let's not trample property rights here. If there is no zoning requirement that a private business must allow firearms, then they have the right to ban that or anything they wish. That being said, I don't agree with banning firearms in employee cars, and as a concealed handgun license holder, I wouldn't support a company that banned this right.... it's their right, but it's my right not to support them.

Now what you could do is zone business property in such a way that they must allow firearms in cars just as some cities and towns restrict signage. If the business buys land there and builds they have to follow the rules set forth by these zoning requirements.

[strange1]

And my boss knows the contents of the trunk of my car how?

Precisely. How would they know, unless you told them.

here in Michigan it would onl;y be a violation of company policy, not against the law.

[Shalom Israel]

what it's about is whether or not your employer, the "guy who owns the parking lot," has the right to deprive you of your Constitutional rights on the way to and from work

The employer is doing no such thing. He's making a rule about parking. Plan to follow it? You can park. Plan to break it? OK, you can't park. Park somewhere else. It's his property. You may not like how he uses his property. It might be inconvenient for you. But I'm afraid it's his, not yours.

Now if you hate guns, fears guns, or think guns are somehow inherently evil, just say so...

If you're going to resort to ad homina, you'll have to do considerably better than that. I'm not only pro-second-amendment, but also a hunter. I have nothing against guns. Rather, you have something against property rights. You think that someone else has to follow your rules on his land. Can't agree with you there, comrade.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

If nothing else, make the empoloyer exempt from prosecution from any shooting in the parking lot, then it makes a bit more sense to allow guns in cars parked on someone else's private property.

In that case, the easy way to outlaw guns is to make a buncy of laws that say "you cannot possess a gun within 1000 feet of [INSERT LOCATION TYPE HERE]."

That's what the Feds did with public schools. If you have a gun in your car and drive within a thousand feet of a public school, you have committed a felony.

I defy you to find a path from your work to your home that does not pass within a thousand feet of a public school.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

This group disagrees with King, saying there are other problems with leaving a gun in a car.

"The reason being no vehicle is safe. No matter what kind of deterrents you use to keep your car from being stolen, it can still be stolen," said Garza

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The most secure place to keep my firearm is my holster concealed on my person. Dam leaving it lonely in my car.

[Ladysmith]

Having your gun in your car aside, I have an issue about not being able to defend myself whereever I go, including work.

Yes, I understand it's someone else's business, property, etc. But having been attacked and almost put six under while working, I want to know who's responsible for my safety if I'm not allowed to be. Sure as heck isn't LEO...

[Shalom Israel]

What is assinine is the employers assertion that an empoyees car ceases to be the employees just because of where it is parked.

Why does this have so much trouble getting through to you? It's your car, and you have no right whatsoever to put your car on his land. Oh, unless he says you can, of course. He isn't seizing your car; he's doing the equivalent of putting a guard and gate on the lot, and having the guard let some people in, and turn other people away.

[Ladysmith]

Oh brother...

[chesty_puller]

Your employer does not have any duty to guaranty your safety

When you remove my weapon from me you put me in danger. Could be an interesting lawsuit.

[Shalom Israel]

I'm going to move to an uninhabited island when they make the unattractive, fat or smelly a protected class. And some would consider me to be unattractive, fat and smelly...

It's only a matter of time. It's already illegal to refuse to associate with certain people of protected classes.

I hate antisemites. But that doesn't mean I think they should be forced, under penalty of law, to hang around with Jews.

[Dead Corpse]

Ok. We agree the car is mine. We also agree that the employer can allow or disallow their employees the ability to park in their parking lot.

That is where the debate should end. The employer cannot have a property claim to the car.