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Should you be able to take your gun to work?
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| 3/28/06
| Vicente Arenas
Posted on 03/29/2006 10:04:37 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: Dead Corpse
From what i'm reading here, your the one whose not getting it.
141
posted on
03/29/2006 1:48:12 PM PST
by
Graycliff
(Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
To: Graycliff
Well gee... with that one post you have completely changed my mind. Good going...
Never mind. You guys are right. Once you step onto anyone elses property, even if invited, you are automatically that property owners slave. Anything you bring with you is subject to thier whim.
Yes Massa... we's be workin' on yo' plantation fo' sho'...
142
posted on
03/29/2006 1:51:58 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
To: Dead Corpse
"That the employer, in this argument, is trying to establish a property claim to my car"
Not the case at all. His property, his rules, if you don't like them park in the street or find another job.
143
posted on
03/29/2006 1:54:11 PM PST
by
Graycliff
(Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
To: Little Ray
IF they prevent employees from protecting themselves then haven't they failed to take a reasonable action to protect their employees? It depends. What is reasonable to expect? Would a jury of 12 find that need for an armed response was a reasonable expectation during the course of an average shift? If you were a night clerk at a 7-11, maybe so. If you were a night watchman, maybe so. Bank employee, diamond courier, etc.
OTOH, the employer may be found to have endangered his employees or customers by allowing firearms. If you were a private grade school instructor, they may decide that the employer was negligent in allowing firearms where kids might have access, if one of the little darlings got into your glovebox and shot himself with your glock.
144
posted on
03/29/2006 1:59:12 PM PST
by
LexBaird
("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
To: Little Ray
Funny, you never heard this argument before CCW's. How in the world did we survive.
145
posted on
03/29/2006 1:59:22 PM PST
by
Graycliff
(Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
To: Graycliff
Right. He sets the property rules for HIS property. I set the rules for MY property. How is that hard to understand?
146
posted on
03/29/2006 2:01:31 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
To: Dead Corpse
Then his rule is keep your property off of his property. It's really pretty simple.
147
posted on
03/29/2006 2:03:43 PM PST
by
Graycliff
(Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
To: Graycliff
Actually, it has always been part of my world view - any entity (state, business, household, etc.) that prevents you from protecting yourself should be liable for harm befalling you from criminal act while you are subject their will in this matter. If they don't want to assume responsibility, they can let you carry.
148
posted on
03/29/2006 2:06:42 PM PST
by
Little Ray
(I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
To: Little Ray
That might very well be an argument, but i'm not sure it's a win-able one.
149
posted on
03/29/2006 2:10:20 PM PST
by
Graycliff
(Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
To: Dead Corpse
Once you step onto anyone elses property, even if invited, you are automatically that property owners slave. Nope. You are free to leave at any time; slaves aren't. You are obligated to leave on demand, even if invited. You are obligated to abide by his rules while you remain.
Anything you bring with you is subject to thier whim.
Yep. If you don't agree, don't come on the property. Simple.
150
posted on
03/29/2006 2:14:48 PM PST
by
LexBaird
("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
To: Graycliff
Ah... so the open parking lot if just for show then. Got it.
151
posted on
03/29/2006 2:31:33 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
To: LexBaird
Yeah, but you said the property owner sets the rules. If one of those rules is the complet subjugation of anyone who steps onto his property, then tought cookies. You CAN'T leave.
Or is there this little thing called inalienable Rights that we are all supposed to have eqaully?
His property. My property. Never the twain shall meet.
152
posted on
03/29/2006 2:33:03 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
To: kiriath_jearim
If no one has a reason to search my car nothing inside will be at risk. Be prudent, behave yourself. Good advice always.
153
posted on
03/29/2006 2:35:18 PM PST
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
To: Dead Corpse
I see your from TX, so am I, you should check into the TX's laws concerning private property. In my opinion their the toughest in the country. I understand you fell like your rights are being violated, but you have to understand it goes both ways. As an owner of a small ranch in west TX ( 3 sections without minerals ) i have vehicles coming in and out all the time servicing wells, and there's nothing i can do to stop them. Thats just the way the laws are written, wheteher i like it or not.
I do have a question. What did you do for protection before TX allowed CCW's?
154
posted on
03/29/2006 2:55:17 PM PST
by
Graycliff
(Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
To: Graycliff
Er... no. My Rights ARE being violated. Both my RKBA and my property Rights. What I "feel" has nothing to do with it.
Before? Pretty much the same thing I'm doing now.
155
posted on
03/29/2006 2:58:23 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
To: Dead Corpse
Then i suggest you send an e-mail to your state legislators and talk to them, but i promise you, you'll get the same answer.
156
posted on
03/29/2006 3:03:48 PM PST
by
Graycliff
(Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
To: Dead Corpse
Yeah, but you said the property owner sets the rules. If one of those rules is the complet subjugation of anyone who steps onto his property, then tought cookies. You CAN'T leave. Will Rogers once said, "Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose." Your right to bear arms ends at my property line. You only bear them across that line by my agreement. Assuming I don't compel you or trick you to agree, you have agreed of your own free will to abide by this contract. You are morally obligated to do so, and I am morally free to enforce it.
Completely subjugating someone (since you are using reductio ad adsurdum) is a violation of that freely entered contract. If you can find instances of where an employer in the US demanded employees to show up unarmed, and then cast them into chains and forced labor, please produce them. I am sure the local D.A. will be interested.
On the other hand, I bet I could dig up some instances where a property owner legally shot and killed an armed intruder. Which is what you would be if you exercised your RKBA on his property without his permission.
157
posted on
03/29/2006 3:15:05 PM PST
by
LexBaird
("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
To: Dead Corpse
His property. My property. Never the twain shall meet. No problem then. Stay home or in your car on the public street with your gun, and Mr. Employer can hire someone else to make widgets. Then, you'll both have what you want.
158
posted on
03/29/2006 3:18:45 PM PST
by
LexBaird
("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
To: Tokra
WEll, maybe your supervision skills need work,the gov't rules the public are dealing with in seeing your staff,or some combination is the problem.
If more postal workers freak out than any other business,then postal management must be doing a poor job.
159
posted on
03/29/2006 3:31:21 PM PST
by
hoosierham
(Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
To: samcgwire
Thanks, I do. Besides, it's my job, which is more important to me, than to be able to drive to work with my weapons in the car.
160
posted on
03/29/2006 4:28:05 PM PST
by
stuartcr
(Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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