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Is it time for a constitutional convention called by the people re: illegal immigration?

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: durasell
I think more agree than disagree with me. Just look at the poll right here on FR.

Do you support or oppose H.R. 4437, the Border Protection, Anti-Terrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005?

Support
89.7%

Oppose
10.3%

H.R. 4437.....http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4437:"

321 posted on 03/27/2006 9:48:05 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: durasell

Sheesh, you're incorrigible!


I like it. LOL


322 posted on 03/27/2006 9:48:22 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: RHINO369
although I've only done Electrical work. I guess I could help design the circuit for the lights.

Could you work on the high-voltage, point-of-contact, distributed-enforcement system?

323 posted on 03/27/2006 9:48:45 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: Jim Robinson

My mistake. I already had the marketing all worked out, too.

VONAGE PRESENTS
The Constitution of the United States Of America

CUSA Part II


324 posted on 03/27/2006 9:50:07 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: detsaoT
You make a good point, re: the corrosive effect that fraudulent voting patterns have on our political system.

However, for better or worse, a lot of conservative voters continued to vote for Daschle in spite of his doctrinaire liberalism, year after year.

The massive corruption involved in cultivating votes on Indian reservations in that state wouldn't have been pivotal if a substantial majority of SD voters hadn't-for whatever reason-considered Daschle to be a plausible U.S. Senator, in the same way that they thought it acceptable to elect that moonbat Abourezek-Daschle's mentor-for so many years before finally ousting him.

The argument about populism does cut both ways.

While Hillary Clinton is the epitome of the Dem. machine candidate, it could be argued that she would have never been elected to the U.S. Senate if it had been left up to the state legislature here, although the subordination of the Democratic Party in this state to the political aspirations of the Clinton machine began way before the 2000 election.

Judith*cough*Hope!

By the same token, you can use the same argument for popular elections, which is one of the reasons that Tom Coburn and Jeff Sessions are also in the United States Senate, in spite of the opposition they've faced throughout their political careers by members of their own party.

325 posted on 03/27/2006 9:50:59 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: pbrown

That's interesting, right?


326 posted on 03/27/2006 9:51:08 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Petronski
Look at the whole history of state legislatures' Convention calls. Three of them, in the 18th century only, asked for a new general Convention. Since then, every single call by every single state has been limited, not general. History answers you question, emphatically.

John / Billybob
327 posted on 03/27/2006 9:51:55 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com RIGHT NOW. I need your help.)
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To: Windsong
"Er..you know that Willie Nelson supports homosexuals, right? Had very good things to say about "Bareback" Mtn. Nuff said."

Was just a FRinstance...

Willie's getting up there in years and smokes alot of dope.

328 posted on 03/27/2006 9:54:01 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: pbrown
Probably.

They'll use any excuse to forsake the people who pay their salaries though.

The only thing they understand is the blunt exercise of power through the ballot box.

Spencer Abraham lost not because of the power of organized labor, or the prowess of the MI Democratic Party-in spite of the boasts they might make to that effect-but because he was an open borders Republican.

Unfortunately, the people who unseated him didn't seem to realize that the person who would be replacing him in that seat was just as atrocious on the issue of immigration, but much worse in every other respect.

329 posted on 03/27/2006 9:54:37 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Eastbound
Great link, thanks.

Here ya go...

Q. How is impeachment different from the criminal and civil processes?
. The criminal process involves personal misconduct and imposes penalties to vindicate the interests of society. The civil process involves personal fault and imposes liability to compensate individual victims.

The impeachment process is different from either of these. While it has elements of the criminal process, it is also a "political" process in that it is designed to deal with misconduct by high public officers. In the words of professor Jeff Atkinson of DePaul Law School, impeachment is designed "to protect our country and our Constitution from leadership that has become a danger to the country. Phrases used by the framers of the Constitution include 'corruption,' 'abuse of power,' 'subversion of the Constitution,' and 'neglect of duty.'"

That describes what's going on now to a tee.

330 posted on 03/27/2006 9:55:37 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: durasell

I believe someone posted that O'Reilly, said 75% of Americans agreed with me.


331 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:34 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: CowboyJay
That's the understatement of the year.

;0)

332 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:57 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: pbrown

For the record, and from my limited readings, I don't think it's a problem that can be "solved," at least not in the way that most people think of problems being solved. It's one of those complex problems that has to be "managed." Right now it appears that it's being managed poorly. The trick is to manage it better.


333 posted on 03/27/2006 10:02:24 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Unfortunately, the people who unseated him didn't seem to realize that the person who would be replacing him in that seat was just as atrocious on the issue of immigration, but much worse in every other respect.

That's the problem. They campaign one way to get elected, and if they are, they turn into Mr.Hyde. You can't trust the bastards anymore. They just tell you what you want to hear to get elected. On election night, you go to bed with a 10 and wake up with a 1.

334 posted on 03/27/2006 10:03:07 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Publius

What a great post. The salvation of this country may just yet come from the minds on FR. I don't see anything else coming down the pike.


335 posted on 03/27/2006 10:06:51 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: pbrown
And not the good Mr. Hyde, either.

This guy:

Consider the wary blond a stand-in for the American electorate.

336 posted on 03/27/2006 10:07:31 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Congressman Billybob; Publius

Thanks to both for your very informative posts.


337 posted on 03/27/2006 10:09:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: durasell
Like one FReeper said, gather up 50,000 illegals a day and send them back where they came from.

Manage it? Throw their butts out and build an impregnable fence. Back up that fence with cameras, sensors, Border Patrols or soldiers. That's how I'd manage it. The cost be damned. We're going broke now.

338 posted on 03/27/2006 10:10:35 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown
If the Dems win big in Novemeber, we all know that we will see a push for impeachment.

If I were a sitting conservative congressman, I would be very conflicted when voting on impeachment.

The Dem charges would, of course, be political and bogus. But, in spite of that, if I had a chance to vote impeachment against a president who has so manifestly and contemptuosly declined his lawful duty to protect these United States in their borders, I would be extremely tempted to drop the impeachment hammer on his butt.

339 posted on 03/27/2006 10:11:09 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

That's the Hyde I was thinking of. :-)


340 posted on 03/27/2006 10:12:47 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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