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Is it time for a constitutional convention called by the people re: illegal immigration?

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Jim Robinson
I think each of us can start by calling these weakwilled senators and demanding they resign.
201 posted on 03/27/2006 7:17:10 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: Jim Robinson

We just need an Amendment compelling the President and Congress to obey and enforce the laws we already have. /ng


202 posted on 03/27/2006 7:17:24 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Jim Robinson
"...We must eliminate as many liberal activist judges as humanly possible. We only have a chance of doing this with a Republican president and Senate...

While the idea of a constitutional convention would be laudable, the lack of any balanced "education" about such an undertaking, given the horrendous bias of the media, would render it as dangerous, right now, as many have posted here. But the threat, the conversation to do so, may have it's own effect.

The key to any damage control situation, in order to keep the ship afloat during a battle, is to evaluate what we cannot remain "afloat and in the fight" without, and separate that from those items that are merely damned important, and heartbreaking to have to temporarily do without. If we can't cut to the chase, and build a wall, then we cannot stand against a media-manufactured tide.

The GOP right now is nervous that the bottom threatens to drop out of their support. The Senate seems especially vulnerable, since they are the most comfortable right now in their encumbency.

If the disillusioned among us can band together, and forcefully state to the Senators, up for re-election this election cycle, that certain things are mandatory, and not subject to negotiation, between the party base and their Republican Senators, then we have a chance- perhaps our only chance-, of forcing the issues most critical to us.

Newt Gingrich captured the hearts and minds of many Republicans, (and created many new Republicans), with his "Contract with America".

If we can establish, like he and a few planners did in their back yards, a similar baseline "Contract with Tomorrow", (substituting some much more clever name), and get a large, enthusiastic backing of many Freepers who currently differ greatly from each other... then the "contract" would stand a great chance of being polished and refined by the various and considerable talent here, and swelling into a movement similar in scope to Newt's contract.

Don't laugh immediately... it brought many like me into the party. If done with vigor, planning and especially maturity-it could pull us back from the brink.

I'm going to be so presumptious to start the first three absolutes, and wait for those who can eloquently talk the rest of us out of including such wild ideas.

"Whereas, any nation that wishes to remain sovereign must exercise their duties to that sovereignty, primary of which is the elevation of citizenship itself to a coveted and revered status; ... the acceptance of new citizens into the country must therefore pass strictures laid down by the representatives of the people according to the wishes of the electorate, the enforcement of which shall be unfailingly monitored and enforced, subject to constitutional compliance and current law. Any representative from the Republican Party, who wishes to draw upon the support of the voters must show by his words and his deeds an unfailing adherence to such responsibility."

"Whereas the defense of the United States Constitution lay first in the hands of a Superior Court of Justices, who swear to faithfully interpret, and thereby uphold and defend that Constitution... any representative from the Republican Party, who wishes to draw upon the support of the voters must demonstrate his utmost,faithful and unceasing efforts to safeguard that those jurists appointed to the highest Court of the Nation, are selected for their defense of that Constitution, as it was written, and as it provided the contract of our birthright."

Etc, etc. "We, the voters can brook no exceptions to these minimum demonstrations of the fitness for the good offices for which you seek."

This is 5 minutes typing, but many more could polish this into "our contract with them", and apply enough pressure to force the issue. Forgive my typos- you get the idea.

Please feel free to add, remove or substitute. Only by forcing a few planks on the Republicans, can we put the train back on the tracks. And this will necessarily require that only the most serious needs of the Republic be addressed first.

Ask Newt.

203 posted on 03/27/2006 7:17:30 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: NormsRevenge

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Thank you Norm - great to have a comparison like this!


205 posted on 03/27/2006 7:19:33 PM PST by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC.)
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To: Flux Capacitor

ROFL. You sound like Feingold. Good luck with that.


206 posted on 03/27/2006 7:19:38 PM PST by pissant
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To: Pelham

We already got that amendment. It's the second one from the top.


207 posted on 03/27/2006 7:19:57 PM PST by Modok
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To: Jim Robinson
If you have an issue that the government won't address and 75% of the people are behind you, obviously you can run for President. You probably have to do so anyway, just to convert contributions to FR into "hard money" which can be spent on political speech notwithstanding McCain-Feingold. It's my interpretation that the original political parties were the two newspapers which Jefferson and Hamilton sponsored to wage their partisan battles against each other; why shouldn't FR be a political party?

208 posted on 03/27/2006 7:20:09 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Based on my limited experience with term limits, I don't think a Constitutional amendment route is feasible (in our lifetime at least).

The first thing to do is to get Immigration and Naturalization agency (or whatever they are called now) properly funded and staffed, so they have the capability to enforce existing laws. I think that there is no official desire to either staff them properly or to order them to enforce the existing laws. We are pitted against very powerful interests.

One of them is the Democrat party which views each illegal as a potential Democrat and future voter. The other powerful interest is the industries which depend on illegals for cheap (off the books??) labor.

I am not sure that there is one solution. I think that the condition has to be attacked on several different fronts and levels.

My solution is to secure the southern border. First in Arizona, which seems to bleed the most. Then progressively the other states. New Mexico is going to use their National Guard to some extent. I would put pressure on the Arizona Governor to call out the Guard and close the Arizona-Mexico guard. If the Governor will not act, send in regular service personnel to show that the US is serious.

The next step, which could occur concurrently, is to start deporting every illegal alien that is in Federal or local custody. Replace any Federal employee which will not perform his (or her) job. On the local level, use the Federal prosecutors to remove local personnel that do not enforce the laws of their state and nation.

The final step. would require rounding up and deporting the illegals that remain in the country. Enabling legislation should make it a crime to hire an illegal. This is a diffucult nut to crack because an illegal may have papers that he can show to his emplorer that the employer can't verify whether they are real of bogus. A much closer Federal-Local liaison will have to be implemented. Already this is a massive undertaking.

Unfortunately, the US an the present time, does not seem to have the intestinal fortitude to continue any painful, large projects and to bring them to a successful conclusion.

The United States truly needs our prayers. I have recently driven around some of the country. Many, many states have effectively been flooded with illegals. It will be a real task to root them out, if they don't want to go.
209 posted on 03/27/2006 7:20:31 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: detsaoT

"I'd be more happy to see individual states tackle immigration"

I live in GA and I think it's a start. But won't Congress be pre-empting states rights with the garbage that's going to get through now?


210 posted on 03/27/2006 7:22:15 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Jim Robinson

I'll summarize the conclusion of my sprawling post:

Mr. Robinson, forget about a Constitutional Convention. It won't get done, and it won't affect the process for years.

If you really believe the country is falling apart, use what you have built here to simultaneously launch an Immigration Reform Party, built on this base, in every state in America. It's sudden appearance would threaten the order, and either bring Republicans to their senses, or not, in which case you would be able to actually get politicians elected at all levels of government.

Turn FreeRepublic into the launchpad of the first successful third party movement in American history. You've built this up, now use it to try and wrest control of the country back in the most alarming and threatening way possible: start a party. You will have thousands all at once. You will have money, a platform, and a fifty state organization.


211 posted on 03/27/2006 7:22:31 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Jim Robinson
I believe the dangers of a Constitutional Convention are indeed that everything would be put on the table, including the 2nd amendment, etc.

The problem is the executive branch is not enforcing the laws passed by Congress. The leaves a few options.

1) Sue immigration officials responsible for enforcement for malfeasance, civil rights violations, treason.
2) Lobby State legislatures to pass laws which enforce illegal status a State felony.
3) Lobby State executives to declare emergency powers and precipitate a Constituional crisis.

212 posted on 03/27/2006 7:22:47 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim you are absolutely right. In all our anger, we cannot throw out the pubbies, for the dims are truly worse.

We can however make a lot of noise at the grassroots level. And organize many others to do the same.


213 posted on 03/27/2006 7:22:57 PM PST by umgud (12 gauge, the original pepper spray)
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To: Jim Robinson

Annex Mexico, slice California, San Fran off the map, especially that Marina homo dog owner arrogant self absorbed infestation that was in the National Geographic this month, and all will be well.


214 posted on 03/27/2006 7:23:25 PM PST by Screamname (Tagline)
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To: mhking
Ban wire transfers or sending cash or checks through the mail by individuals to Mexico completely and they will have to go back to bring the cash home. Step-up border security to prevent re-entry, and the problem solves itself.
215 posted on 03/27/2006 7:24:11 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: pissant

----ROFL. You sound like Feingold.----

And you sound like a condemned man who's convinced himself that the door at the end of the hall leads to a candy store.

We'll see who ROFLs last.

-Dan

216 posted on 03/27/2006 7:25:01 PM PST by Flux Capacitor (Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
"They sat back and accepted this untenable situation, instead of fighting back."

That just ain't the cowboy way. ;)

Hollyweird is done-for, but maybe we could pull a few popular country artists into the fight for some publicity to get people off their keisters. I know people who would literally jump off a bridge if somebody like Willy Nelson asked them to.

217 posted on 03/27/2006 7:26:05 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

Have we lost everything at this point? The House bill is still there, and the two groups have to come to an agreement. Where can we apply pressure at this point, and will it do any good? I still believe we still have a fighting chance. Am I wrong?
218 posted on 03/27/2006 7:26:42 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: Flux Capacitor

I'd rather be on death row than sound like Feingold, to be quite frank.

Regardless, have a good night. Gotta run.


219 posted on 03/27/2006 7:27:13 PM PST by pissant
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To: Brad's Gramma

It's way past time; the illegals, the 'Rats and the RINO's have finally gone too far....


220 posted on 03/27/2006 7:28:48 PM PST by Frank_2001
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