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To: colt fan man

I don't want to go there yet. If that were known, would they let HIS father take the girls into his home?

Just wish we knew if the computer had been shot up. I'm still inclined to think an Internet porn addiction as a possibility. If they're that pious, that would be just as bad as anything else most people would find worth shooting someone over, especially with little children in the home and if he had promised over and over to stop.

However, there are subtle indications that she had been at least depressed - a friend told another friend that "ever since Breanna was born" - and one of the church people quoted in the paper said she sometimes acted "lonely" - but then, that would be normal moving to a new place.


402 posted on 03/25/2006 7:30:32 PM PST by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Another possible theory from another thread from TERRI :
(this theory would be in addition to the only other two possible theories imo - child molesting, or she was just plain nuts - but even a crazy person needs something to set them off)

"I know we have no basis for our speculation other than curiosity and gut feeling, but I predict that it will come out that this was somehow related to porn addiction. Having read many books on the subject written by pastor’s wives who’s families have “recovered” I see the writing on the wall.

My guess is that it had nothing to do with the children except that their parents lived a living hell and from which Mary had no place to turn without destroying her husband’s career.

I speculate that they had moved at some point to “start fresh” but there is always a pattern here. Mary saw it coming and most likely he “relapsed” while she was at work that first (or second) day. She had thought about it in advance and knew it because she could see the “cycle”.

The thing is, it’s so silent, and in her case it had to be an absolute secret, and the world tells one it isn’t “adultry”.
It makes the “victim spouse” literally physically ill and there appears no escape within the moral system in which they lived. In the Christian faith, you can’t even justify divorce for this despite that you KNOW in your mind, that at least to YOU that it is absolutely adultry.

People talked about PPD. I don’t think it was that but the hell she went through being compared at least in her own mind pregnant, postpartum, and simply “real”.

I bet that we will soon find that Pastor Winkler took the day, or at least half a day, off from work either Tuesday or Wednesday to “prepare his sermon”. I would bet a cheesecake that he spent the day “surfing the internet”.
I would even venture to guess that Mary was resentful
of taking the job perhaps under his pressure. Combine that with the upcoming anniversary, the sick feeling of seeing the “cycle”, the pressure to appear “perfection” with no where to turn, and she snapped.

If Mary ever mentioned this to ANYONE, it would have naturally resulted in the rumors about “inappropriateness” with the youth, even if there were none. If he ever used the church computer, same result.

Somehow I just don’t think it had anything to do with his own children. I agree that he seemed focused outside the family. I don’t think the acts/results would have been the same on Mary’s part if he had abused the children.

If this does come out, the public or anyone who hasn’t experienced this living hell, will not be as merciful as perhaps they should.

I think she ultimately knew the consequences and thus why she was so cooperative. I think she just wanted her personal secret intolerable hell to end.

Just gut theory."


415 posted on 03/26/2006 4:02:36 PM PST by colt fan man
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To: Rte66

The problem is that the paternal grandparents are going to have a signigicant advantage in coaching these kids as to what they say and don't say. The grandparents will want to protect the reputation of their son at all cost. I hope that the authorites got a statement from the children before placing them with the grandparents, not to mention counseling. Unless there is something the public does not know, the judge made a critical error in not placing these kids in a temporary foster home until this can be sorted out.


419 posted on 03/26/2006 4:23:36 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Rte66
It is possible that it wasn't a sexual thing at all.

Has anyone suggested drug or alcohol addiction on the part of either one of them?

That can be very often carefully covered in very pious families.
570 posted on 03/28/2006 9:43:30 AM PST by pollyannaish
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