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To: Jim Robinson

"....and Benedict Arnold was a war hero before he turned traitor too."

I've heard mc cain described as a war hero, but I have yet to hear any specifics or details any act of heroism on his part. Being captured is not in itself heroic, but acts prior to or subsequent can be.

Why do they call this guy a war hero?


98 posted on 03/22/2006 9:20:42 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Why do they call this guy a war hero?

I've often wondered that myself. Getting shot down and captured doesn't make you a hero. Shooting the enemy down in large numbers... now THAT makes you a hero.

107 posted on 03/22/2006 9:22:30 PM PST by inkling
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
He didn't take rice in the derriere.
115 posted on 03/22/2006 9:23:24 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

It is easy to do a google, but being lazy, my memory says the N viets offered to let him go, and he refused unless they let his comrades go too.


136 posted on 03/22/2006 9:28:56 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

from wikipedia

When the North Vietnamese discovered he was the son of the Pacific Command Admiral, who was in charge of the US war effort in Vietnam, he was offered a chance to go home, in an effort to embarrass the American military. Senior POWs had ordered there would be no going home unless all went home, and McCain, as did most POWs, followed orders. McCain recorded an anti-American propaganda message, but said he did so as a result of torture.


184 posted on 03/22/2006 9:40:03 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Why do they call this guy a war hero?

His actions as a POW were most heroic and for this I have great respect. His actions as a Senator and his efforts to suppress the Freedom of Speech is the precise reason for Jim Robs verbal tirade against McCain. Without FREE SPEECH, we will lose our FREEDOM. Jim Rob is right!

231 posted on 03/22/2006 9:52:44 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Why do they call this guy a war hero?

Good question. I almost puked when I saw him featured as a "Legend of Airpower". Almost as bad as Eugene McCarthy. Ridiculous.

297 posted on 03/22/2006 10:09:05 PM PST by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Kerry was a war hero too until the Vietnam vets “Swift Boated” his ass. At least one of the guys who worked on that is ready to get the truth out about McCain too. Like they did with Kerry the MSM will try to ignore it but the new media will be too powerful for them again.


335 posted on 03/22/2006 10:20:53 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
I think he was the pilot when four jet aircraft were destroyed, and none of them were enemy. He lost two in training, one on the deck of a carrier, and one over North Vietnam.
578 posted on 03/22/2006 11:54:21 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Why do they call this guy a war hero?

He was an ace......for the North Vietnamese :)
1,027 posted on 03/23/2006 11:09:07 AM PST by SandfleaCSC ( “Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.”)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
A friend of mine, named Speer, claims he went to flight school with McCain, and says that McCain was the lousiest pilot of the bunch.

...Not that McCain might not have been a hero. Like others here pointed out, he stayed a prisoner, instead of going along with being released...which isn't something to sneeze at, I take it. I can only imagine how bad it was to be a prisoner of the North Vietnamese...so, anyway, McCain did suffer, and payed a price for service to this Nation, then, at that time. Others suffered, with much less fanfare...myself, I wasn't there.

This Speer fellow I mention flew A-6 Intruders, was shot down twice himself, also deliberately splashed another one near a carrier because he was wounded (shrapnel through feet and hands), and didn't want to make the landing. "Just didn't feel like it", he said...

He says also that he tried to re-enlist for a third tour--but they wouldn't let him. Asking him "why not?", he told me he thinks it was because he (not completely unlike McCain) wrecked too many planes, heh heh...so instead, they had him fly for Air America, carting brass (officers) around, for a while. Go figure.

This Speer's dad was a WWII Pacific theater ace fighter pilot. Being "just" a bomber pilot, himself, he took some ribbing from commissioned and warrants that knew, or knew of his pop.

Up until a few years ago, there was still plenty of fight in Speer. Just pour a few drinks in him, and he would be good to go! Haven't seen him in a couple of years, which is a shame...he doesn't live that far away...

1,246 posted on 03/24/2006 12:12:14 AM PST by BlueDragon
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