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Before Scandinavia: These Could Be The First Skiers (China)
Christian Science Monitor ^ | March 15, 2006 | Robert Marquand

Posted on 03/18/2006 2:39:45 PM PST by blam

Before Scandinavia: These could be the first skiers

By Robert Marquand | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

BEIJING – Move over Bode. You may have competition you don't know about - among a sturdy skiing clan in northwest China. They are central Asians, Mongols, and Kazaks, living in the remote Altay mountains of Xinjiang province, where some claim skiing was first conceived.

Using curved planks whose design dates back 2,000 years, the Altaic peoples are formidable skiers. They might not win a medal on perfectly groomed Olympic trails. But they can break their own paths, track elk for days in deep snow, and capture them live.

They don't zig-zag through slalom courses or bump down moguls. But using a single pole, they plunge straight down mountainsides in a blaze of efficiency, and climb hills with a speed and grace that has wowed the few Western experts who have witnessed their prowess.

"These skiers wouldn't do well in the Olympics," says pro skier Nils Larsen. "But the Olympians from Turin couldn't make their skis do what the Altaic skiers can.

"The Altaics learn at age three, and by seven they are really good. They saw us skiing, swerving and turning, and they thought it was the funniest thing," Mr. Larsen adds. "For them, going straight down the mountain is the manly thing. They think it is silly to turn, unless you have to."

In fact, until a few years ago, no one in the West's serious ski community was aware of the Altaic skiers, and no one knew that "ancient" skis were in use anywhere on the planet. Archeologists have long known about long skis with animal-skin bottoms preserved in Swedish bogs and depicted in old cave paintings.

But Larsen, a telemark-skiing expert from Washington state, heard a few years ago from friends on a scholarly expedition in the Altay region who saw locals using what had been identified as aboriginal skis.

For ski buffs, the discovery was exciting, spawning informal visits by foreigners desiring more information about how old skis were made, and how locals used them. This January, some 40 Altay herdsmen took part in what was billed as an "ancient-skiing contest" (except it wasn't "ancient" for the locals).

"My father told me about these older skis," says J.Suhee, a Mongolian diplomat raised in the Altaic region and now in Beijing. "But they were for survival, not for sports."

The skis used today in Altay are not unlike the 4,500-year-old skis found preserved in bogs near Hoting, Sweden. Local Altays hack them out of a single piece of lightweight wood - spruce or white pine - and wrap them with hairy, brittle horse-shank skin.

The skins are permanently attached to the bottom of the ski, providing a "grip" going uphill, and a natural "brake" going down. (The skins stay tight on the frame since they are soaked and stretched over the form, and then shrink as they dry.)

The skier's foot is kept in place using what is known in the West as an "arctic binding." Four holes are drilled through the ski, with rawhide binding threaded through in the shape of an "X." The foot is slid into that X, and it keeps the foot relatively stable.

"The skis have a distinctive shape, and the designs we saw are fairly uniform. But they seem more like cousins of our [modern] skis, than brothers and sisters," says Larsen, whose business card reads, "minister of ski culture."

Differences in ski styles are major. The Altay skis are at least twice as wide as even the latest hourglass-shaped alpine skis. And unlike modern skis, which have the boot clamped into place, these skis require much more maneuvering with foot and pole to steer the skis.

Balance is completely different. Altay skiers do not lean forward in a knee-intensive crouch. Rather, going down the mountain, they lean far back and use the pole as ballast. The pole tends to get used on one side or the other - not on both sides, as a kayaker would use a paddle.

Larsen, who videotaped the making and use of the Altay skis, says he was impressed with the local talent: "I've taught skiing 25 years, so I know when someone has good balance and .... they are naturals. The ski is like an extension of their body. You can tell they are totally confident on the ride."

Altay snows are so deep that cross-country skis are ineffective. But with their "ancient" skis and highly developed stamina, many Altaic skiers go for 12 hours at a time. They hunt for days, following deer, elk, bear, wolves, and other game through deep snows. Eventually the game tires, and often local Altays will tie them up. "They have scads of captured elk, which they use for antlers," Larsen says.

The origins of skiing are disputed. Research of ancient skiing methods is not highly funded. But anthropologists and ski-history buffs debate two main origins: Scandinavia, where the oldest preserved skis are found, and the Altaic area. Of late,a consensus has been forming among scholars and ski enthusiasts that it was the Altaic area.

Civilization developed earlier there. Altaic peoples may have brought skis to Sweden or Norway. Or the common-sense concept of skiing may have arisen independently in each place.

On Jan. 25, days before the ancient-skiing contest, China's state-run news service Xinhua announced that China had essentially invented skiing.

Citing newly discovered Altaic regional cave paintings of four hunters on boards with poles in their hands, chasing cattle and horses - the Xinhua story proposed that "Chinese were adept skiers in the Old Stone Age," and that skiing originated there 100 to 200 centuries ago.

Historians did not rush to embrace the theory. The ethnic Han Chinese, let alone a corporate state called China, did not exist in this part of the world in stone-age days, 10,000 years ago, they note.


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To: blam
Certainly European-type people, but not necessarily what you call Caucasion, and certainly not Indo-European types.

The Sa'ami are generally conceded to have invented "cross country" skis, and probably the other kinds as well.

With 25% of Earth's land surface given over to reindeer and musk ox herding, those bad boys got around. We can't be sure of who was using a ski in Western China at the time, but there's no mystery to how they found out about skis.

21 posted on 03/18/2006 4:08:02 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

What "time"? Do you have conclusive evidence as to when snow and ice either receeded enough to make the land habitable, or increased to make life more difficult?

Goelogical evidence suggests the later.


22 posted on 03/18/2006 4:13:15 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: muawiyah
With 25% of Earth's land surface given over to reindeer and musk ox herding, those bad boys got around. We can't be sure of who was using a ski in Western China at the time, but there's no mystery to how they found out about skis.

Reindeer and Musk ox are tundra swamp animals . Not much lumber around there to make ski's. Unless they were 3 foot tall ones. Opps, those trees are 3 feet tall NOW. They were probablt much shorter THEN. If course, something catasrophic could have happened....

23 posted on 03/18/2006 4:26:19 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Have you taken a good look at how much of Earth's land surface is tied up in Arctic, subarctic, and Alpine conditions?

It's huge@!

24 posted on 03/18/2006 4:36:44 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Just as soon as lichen and mushrooms could row, the reindeer could move in, and the Sa'ami with them.

Although you need a digestive system that can handle a high fat/high protein diet, and there's not much in the way of carbohydrates around, people were able to move into Alpine, subarctic and Arctic regions for the last 180,000 years (maybe more).

25 posted on 03/18/2006 4:39:15 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Nathan Zachary

BTW, just because the animals are designed pirmarily for tundra swamp doesn't mean they don't occasionally wander into timbered regions, particularly along the Norwegian coast.


26 posted on 03/18/2006 4:40:24 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: blam

Once again, thanks for the links.


27 posted on 03/18/2006 4:41:21 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: NZerFromHK

Neither does Miller for that matter.


28 posted on 03/18/2006 4:48:33 PM PST by 359Henrie (NASA needs one more moon rock, its in Mecca.)
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To: muawiyah
"Just as soon as lichen and mushrooms could row, the reindeer could move in, and the Sa'ami with them."

I guess. I've always moved from better homes to worse ones too it seems.

29 posted on 03/18/2006 4:51:25 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: blam

Who cares, we invented snowboarding.


30 posted on 03/18/2006 4:53:40 PM PST by 38special (the fastest growing winter sport)
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To: 38special

I thought snowboarders invented BC Bud.


31 posted on 03/18/2006 5:01:19 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Nathan Zachary
After all, last night someone told me that people didn't even know how to make eating utensils less than 1400 years ago.

Chopsticks are recognized as the invention that lead to the expansion of the Chinese race.

32 posted on 03/18/2006 5:05:02 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: muawiyah
BTW- what makes you think Norway was always a timbered region?

What makes you think The arctic was always a cold and under ice? Geological evidence suggests otherwise, that in fact it was tropical.
I know it's easier to dismiss the discovery of mammoths, fox, rabbits, wolfs etc. the vegetation, the meat still hanging on these carcasses, seemingly instantly frozen with food in their mouths as being beamed to earth from another planet, but there IS an better, more sensible explanation for them.

Read this, then tell me what you think later, when you have read it all.

Berezovka Mammoth


33 posted on 03/18/2006 5:07:06 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: 38special
"Who cares, we invented snowboarding."

Snowboarding was invented by the Jamaican bobsled team in July, 1967.

34 posted on 03/18/2006 5:11:46 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: oklahoma guard
Take a little trip. Click on the link below:

Journey Of Mankind

35 posted on 03/18/2006 5:12:26 PM PST by blam
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To: Nathan Zachary
What we have seen during the last 2 million years of this current Ice Age are a lot of retreats and advances. We refer to the greatest of the retreats as "interglacials", although they really aren't, and during the periods of maximum glaciation, there are numerous retreats in different areas due to variations in precipitation "upstream", and "sublimation" anywhere.

The zone where trees can grow varies. Further, you find some trees like aspens and birches able to grow far North of where maples and oaks can live.

Simply because you have reindeer and muskox around doesn't mean Sa'ami didn't have access to trees.

36 posted on 03/18/2006 5:13:13 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: 38special
Pssst! ( I don't really know if that's true or not, but we may as well stick with it before someone discovers a wide, curved piece of wood in Tibet)
37 posted on 03/18/2006 5:15:18 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Doe Eyes
But first, according to archaologists with the evidence in hand, the Chinese invented the fork!

Chopstix came later.

38 posted on 03/18/2006 5:18:15 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: oklahoma guard
"Indian archaelogists are notorious Aryan theorists who believe the entire White Race came from India and ruled the world in prehistory. BS that's what it is."

Many of us may have our origins in Sundaland.

Sundaland (GGG)

39 posted on 03/18/2006 5:21:35 PM PST by blam
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To: muawiyah
"What we have seen during the last 2 million years of this current Ice Age are a lot of retreats and advances."

Stop right there. "WE" haven't seen anything. And WE haven't seen any proof of "2 million years" of anything being seen anywhere.

What WE DO see evidence of, is a sudden onslaught of ice instantly killing and burying a tropical region.

As I said, read the link provided, and after a couple days it will take you to read through the whole book OBJECTIVELY, let me know what you think.

You will find it very interesting if aything else.

At the very least, you will understand a little more about geology, whether you believe in the authors conclusions or not.

40 posted on 03/18/2006 5:21:45 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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