Minutemen Protest In Costa Mesa (pics) ACLU Meeting to Help Illegals

3/17/06

[Ladycalif]

MIRNA BURCIAGA, OWNER OF EL CHANACO RESTAURANT, located at 19th St. and Maple St. in Costa Mesa, is against Mayor Mansoor's plan to have the Costa Mesa Police Dept. assist U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to arrest criminal illegal aliens.

MIRNA BURCIAGA is also a racial supremacist member/supporter of La Raza/Mecha/Maldef/La Voz

[Ladycalif]

ARTICLE
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mansoor17jan17,0,2617169.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
THERE HAS BEEN a lot of discussion about a recent vote by the Costa Mesa
City Council regarding illegal immigration. To the best of my knowledge,
no other city has approved such a proposal, and I would like to clarify
what it does and does not do.

Currently, when someone is arrested for breaking the law, most officers
are not authorized to ask about the suspect's immigration status. Costa
Mesa's proposal would involve training the police gang detail, the
special enforcement detail, investigators and possibly custody personnel
to enforce immigration laws when a major crime is involved. The
authority for it comes from a law passed by Congress, and the training
would be done under the guidance of U.S. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement, or ICE. It is similar to what is being proposed at the
county level and will focus on the most dangerous offenders.

Officers would simply carry out the policy through the course of their
daily duties if they arrest someone for a major crime. There would be no
sweeps for enforcement of immigration laws alone, as some have been
concerned about. In other words, there must be another crime involved
first.

Often, if people are in this country illegally and break a law, they are
either cited and released or, if convicted, released back into society
after they serve their time. It is inaccurate to think they are all
deported. Part of the reason for this is insufficient staffing.
According to a county report, there are only 2,000 agents nationwide
assigned to ICE who are charged with locating and apprehending violators
of immigration laws. The proposed policy would also allow our officers
to start the deportation process, something that only ICE agents can now
do.

So this type of enforcement will make the city safer for everyone, even
those who are here illegally but are otherwise law-abiding. According to
our city staff report, "the training under ICE would focus on
immigration law, civil rights, intercultural relations and the issues
and illegalities surrounding racial profiling."

There is a lot of support for the enforcement of our immigration laws,
and it is time we follow through with it. I believe that this is the
very least the American public expects from its elected officials and
law enforcement.

According to the county's draft proposal, "there are 400,000 individuals
in the United States who have received and ignored their final
deportation orders and … 80,000 of these offenders had criminal
convictions." The report also says that of our current state prison
population of 162,000 inmates, 17,650 are convicted foreign nationals
and 1,575 are convicted foreign nationals who have committed felonies in
Orange County.

The federal government has failed to do its job, but that doesn't mean
we should sit idly by and do nothing. My goal is to make Costa Mesa
safer, bring greater awareness to the facts of this issue and encourage
other cities to join in a cooperative effort to make this proposal more
effective.

I fully support legal immigration and respect those who come here
legally. This is not about race but about criminal offenses and legal
status. I am an American without a hyphen. My parents immigrated legally
from Egypt and Sweden, and this policy would be applied equally to
someone from the Middle East or Europe.

We operate under the rule of law, and it's time we got back to it.
Americans are standing up and asking their elected officials to enforce
the law.

This policy is simply one more tool that the police will have to
identify and help deport dangerous people who are involved in major
crimes, and it will make our cities safer places to live. Just ask a victim.

[BorderRaven]

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Check you local plastics or sign supplies store.

[BorderRaven]

I would prefer criminals to stay in jail, Eventually, criminals are released. They either return to the street and commit more crimes, or a family member takes them in. Now in one case out of a million, one criminal was released to his brother's house, and he later raped, a 9yo girl -- his niece. So, if there is a chance to deport a released criminal, then I'd support it. and those who are doing nothing wrong besides being in the country illegally to get on the path toward citizenship. Ahh, but sadly their first crime was illegal immigration -- currently a misdemeanor. However, anyone associated with that person can be convicted of a felony, under 8 USC 1324. Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3). Title 8 U.S.C. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) makes it unlawful for any person or other entity to hire, recruit, or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien, as defined in subsection 1324a(h)(3). Subsection 1324a(2) makes it unlawful for any person or entity, after hiring an alien for employment, to continue to employ the alien in the United States knowing the alien is or has become an unauthorized alien with respect to such employment. Subsection 1324a(f) provides that any person or entity that engages in a "pattern or practice" of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both. The legislative history indicates that "a pattern or practice" of violations is to be given a commonsense rather than overly technical meaning, and must evidence regular, repeated and intentional activities, but does not include isolated, sporadic or accidental acts. H.R.Rep. No. 99-682, Part 3, 99th Cong., 2d Sess. (1986), p. 59. See 8 C.F.R. § 274a.1(k).A scheme for civil enforcement of the requirements of § 1324a through injunctions and monetary penalties is set forth in § 1324a(e) and § 1324a(f)(2). In addition, 18 U.S.C. § 1546(b) makes it a felony offense to use a false identification document, or misuse a real one, for the purpose of satisfying the employment verification provisions in 8 U.S.C. § 1324a(b). Shall I go into laws governing citizens arrest, kidnapping, false imprisonment?

[BorderRaven]

Can a STATE resident effect a citizen's arrest for a FEDERAL civil statute violation? YES!

[BorderRaven]

Actually, I was shocked at the president's use of the word "vigilante". I looked up "vigilant" in the dictionary , and it means to be observant and watchful. While "vigilante", means to take the law into your own hands, especially when the government failes. Now, this in no way, permits "lynching", which is the removal of a person from police cusody, and the effecting punishment. Our court system, exists, to administer justice and effect punishment. BTW -- Hanging is separate from lynching.

Observing and reporting crimes, is the same as a Neighborhood Watch. A purse thief can be nabbed in the streets, by a crowd of bystanders, and pummeled with fists; or a local teen caught as a prowler, in my backyard, can trip over a sprinkler head, a few times, before the police arrive.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Ah, what an honor to be considered "the mob" by clawrence3. I take the "mob" meaning those who care more about America's future than the advancement of any specific political party. Yeah, I'm guilty of that.

As to the question "When you see a person of Mexican descent in a restaurant, how exactly is it that you ascertain their immigration status on the fly?", my methods aren't exact but running from my attempts to engage in verbal conversation, stammering and lying about comprehending English when I'd already noted by observation that they do all lead me to believe that the employees in question know they are criminals.

Perhaps you were hoping I just assumed that every brown individual I see working in a restaurant is illegal. I know that the majority are legal via temp visas and green cards - it's only the illegal aliens who freak out when they think I'm with immigration enforcement (which I've never claimed).

Peddle any liberal politically-correct racism stuff on someone who's buying it. I'm the guy who's been pointing out how the whole argument of racism is a total scam since LULAC and La Raza saw how successful the NAACP was during the mid 1960s and got Hispanic/Latinos officially defined as a race to get in on the gravy train. They are, in fact, not a race (indeed, they were classified as whites before that) and all facts point that they are an amalgam of Spanish, American Indian and several other genetic lines.

I oppose the illegals because they are here to scam, having been raised in a culture of scamming and they don't hesitate to resort to criminal methods (fraudulent documents, multiple IDs, etc.) to continue their scamming. They are modern-day pirates pretending to be oppressed in order to garner the good graces of the naive. On YOUR dollar. Waketh up or just stay asleep and leave the cleanup to those of us trying to clean up the mess.

[Ben Ficklin]

According to recent data from Pew that has been posted here numerous times, 25% of the farm jobs are being done by illegals.

Add to this the fact that there is a very large number of H2A ag worker visas being utilized. I don't have the exact number, but I estimate that at 250,000.

I certainly make a distinction between illegals and guest workers, but most at FR don't. The general consensus is that they should all be deported.

Although the ag labor supply is not 100% illegal/guest worker, the domestic labor supply is doing the farm jobs that depend on the foreign labor supply. "I'll do the easy work, let's get the mexicans to do the hard work."

[Born Conservative]

"A [2006] black LX Sport looks a lot like an unmarked police car, so other drivers often will slow down and move to the right lane when you come up behind them, an extremely useful feature for highway commuters.

Back in the early 90's, my father in law had a Chevy Caprice Classic, which was the car also used by the Pennsylvania State Police at the time. Needless to say, he used to "play" with a lot of drivers, and some would actually pull over to let him by.

[Marine Inspector]

the price of some produce would rise if we magically deported every illegal alien tomorrow.

No doubt, but I do doubt it would be as high as some on FR think.

[Marine Inspector]

First it was 100%, now it's 25%.

While I don't believe the Pew data either, since they are pro illegal, 25% is a much more reasonable number.

As for the distinction between illegal and legal, it's always made. Very few posters on FR want every non citizen deported. That's just another lie. Do you work for pew?

And while our food supply is currently dependent on foreign labor, that fact is keeping us from advancing technology that can replace humans. Cut off the illegals and farms would have to advance technologically.

[janetgreen]

the entire domestic food supply because it depends on illegals

Your pants are on fire!

[clawrence3]

Yes - that's what the good Mayor "says" it will do - I have yet to see the specifics however. And, there was a very reasonable reason LAPD stopped checking into immigration status all those years ago - apart from the added costs - it is not good for the very community the police is trying to protect to be afraid of the police too.

[clawrence3]

"Effective" enough to cause someone to believe you are a peace officer?

[clawrence3]

"Shocked", but after you looked up the definition, you do have to agree with the President, right - especially anyone who actually makes a citizen's arrest (or worse)? Some here want to fool illegals into thinking they are federal immigration officers, but I don't think anyone has advocated "lynching" (the worst I've seen are pictures of large catapults someone keeps posting).

[clawrence3]

Yes - I would love to know how a citizen effectuates an arrest for a misdemeanor?

[clawrence3]

By "mob" I mean those whom the President rightly refers to as "vigilantes" - if you are not doing any of that, I am not referring to you.

[clawrence3]

Thanks for the info.

[Ben Ficklin]

As I recall, you are zealous about deporting the Salvadorans who are here legally, but you think they have been here to long. In fact, many here say that they are opposed only to illegals, but in reality, they are not. I challenge you to start a thread on the H2B visa quota increase that is coming up for renewal and being currently discussed in Congress. I can predict that the replies will be overwhelmingly opposed.

Like most, you trot out the mantra of automation/mechinization. The reality is that the US is not backward in farming techniques. The reality is that you know nothing about automation, farming, or capital investments.

[clawrence3]

I don't know how high either, but thank you for admitting that at least.

[Old Professer]

So?