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Minutemen Protest In Costa Mesa (pics) ACLU Meeting to Help Illegals
3/17/06

Posted on 03/17/2006 10:24:42 PM PST by Ladycalif

MIRNA BURCIAGA, OWNER OF EL CHANACO RESTAURANT, located at 19th St. and Maple St. in Costa Mesa, is against Mayor Mansoor's plan to have the Costa Mesa Police Dept. assist U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to arrest criminal illegal aliens.

MIRNA BURCIAGA is also a racial supremacist member/supporter of La Raza/Mecha/Maldef/La Voz


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: border; immigrantlist; immigration; minutemen
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To: clawrence3
Read this report, paying particular attention to page 6.
221 posted on 03/20/2006 3:02:51 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
"Fruits, Nuts, and Sunny Beeches."

Aside from the illegal alien issues, there is much to admire about Texas. Some years ago, I used to do business in Dallas and Fort Worth, and I have only good things to say about the people I dealt with there and the friends I made. While some of the business problems involved were hair raising, I have nothing but good memories of the people and hospitality I found there.

222 posted on 03/20/2006 3:04:33 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: clawrence3

Impersonating only goes to the person, not the vehicle.


223 posted on 03/20/2006 4:53:25 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: BorderRaven

You are wrong - keep reading the thread for a good smack down.


224 posted on 03/20/2006 4:54:30 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
I think Bush, selected his words subconciously, but correctly. As for the picture, I'd prefer a conveyor belt, since it runs one-way, 24/7.
225 posted on 03/20/2006 4:58:28 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: clawrence3

Tell the person, "You are under citizens arrest",
take control of the person, ask the person if "they have any weapons or sharp objects on their person?
tell the person "For your safety and mine, I need to do a pat down, search".

Now, you need to take the person to or call the cops to take custody from you. A state trooper will do.

If you don't want to confront the person, then you can report him or her to the police, who will then take the person into custody.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html

* 207-210 kidnapping
* 210.5 false imprisonment
* 236-237 false imprisonment and human trafficking
* 833-851 arrest
* 853.6-853.85 arrested for misdemeanor - notice to appear
* 13519.4 racial profiling


United States Attorneys' Manual
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/
1907 Title 8, U_S_C_ 1324(a) Offenses
1908 Unlawful Employment of Aliens -- Criminal Penalties
1917 Arrest, Search, and Seizure by Immigration Officers
1918 Arrest of Illegal Aliens by State and Local Officers
2056 Preparation of Witnesses Whose Testimony May Involve Classified Information

United States Code http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/
8USC1101 Foreign worker defined
8USC1304 Forms for registration and fingerprinting
8USC1306 Penalties
8USC1325 Improper entry by an alien
10USC906 Spies
18USC2381 Treason
50USC21 Enemy Aliens


226 posted on 03/20/2006 5:16:02 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: Old Professer

That's it, I'm going to buy lettuce seeds, so that when the price of lettuce reaches $5 a head, I'll start growing lettuce and tomatoes.


227 posted on 03/20/2006 5:20:21 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
BR: Establishing cause for the arrest of a suspected illegal alien, is more easy than you think. I could do it to 50 illegals, in 30 minutes.

BAPH: Oh, really? Show us how it's done, then.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/i-9.htm

BR: I could effect a citizens arrest on that group, then turn them over to the custody of local police, or to the California Highway Patrol (State Police), for processing.

BAPH: And if I were the OPFOR, I would have a bunch of Latinos "troll" past you as illegals...only to produce proof of citizenship for the cops, whereupon you have an open-and-shut case of false arrest, and you will have "hugh and series" legal troubles that could very well stune your beeber.

I woould have determined they had no documnets, in step one.

BR: The laws are on my side of the argument, and I welcome MALDEF, to press a lawsuit, because, I would love to counter sue them.

BAPH: Just make sure you own or control no assets prior to doing this.

I am unemployed and I have no attachable assets.
228 posted on 03/20/2006 5:43:12 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: BorderRaven
I woould have determined they had no documnets, in step one.

Declining to show you their documents is not the same as not having any documents.

I am unemployed and I have no attachable assets.

As I thought. Those folks who do have such assets would be extremely foolish to follow your advice.

Oh, BTW: multiple instances of false arrest in the same event may be sentenced consecutively at the judge's discretion. It would be a very long time before you saw the outside of a prison.

229 posted on 03/20/2006 5:49:29 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: BorderRaven
Tell the person, "You are under citizens arrest"

Now, you need to take the person to or call the cops to take custody from you. A state trooper will do.

Cop tells you, "You are charged with the offense of false arrest."

Cellmate tells you: "Hi, honey, my name's Spike."

230 posted on 03/20/2006 5:51:26 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: Marine Inspector

As a border and protection officer, I'l assume, you had to apply for the job. In that flurry of paperwork, did you see a I-9 form, currently the DHS I-9 form?

http://uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/i-9.htm

Take the time to read page #1 Instructions carefully, then fill in section #1 and sign your name.

Next look at page #3 and see if you have any documents listed in column "A". If you have at least one document listed in column "A", STOP, you are eligible for employment, in the USA. If NO continue.

Do you have one document listed in column "B"?
If NO STOP, you are not eligible for employment in the USA.
If YES, continue to column "C".

Do you have one document listed in column "C"?
If YES, continue to column "C". Youare eleigible for employment, in the USA.
If not, then by golly, you must be an illegal alien.

Please note the following changes to the Form I-9 process:

Form I-766 (Employment Authorization Document), although not listed on the 5/31/05 version of the Form I-9, is an acceptable List A document #10.
Form I-151 is no longer an acceptable List A document #5. However, Form I-551 remains an acceptable List A document #5.
The following documents have been removed from the list of acceptable identity and work authorization documents: Certificate of U.S. Citizenship (List A #2), Certificate of Naturalization (List A #3), Unexpired Reentry Permit (List A #8) and Unexpired Refugee Travel Document (List A #9).


231 posted on 03/20/2006 5:56:52 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: BorderRaven
Tell the person, "You are under citizens arrest", take control of the person, ask the person if "they have any weapons or sharp objects on their person? tell the person "For your safety and mine, I need to do a pat down, search".

Tell me I'm under arrest and fail to produce a badge, and I'm instantly producing a Sig Sauer chambered in .45acp. I'm assuming (legally) that anyone who's trying to hold me without warrant or authority is trying to kidnap me, and I'm plugging them on the spot for my own safety. First idiot that ever mistakes me for an illegal (I'm small and brown) had best show some common sense and not seek to detain me. I'm not only a citizen by birth, but I'm well armed and licensed to carry.

232 posted on 03/20/2006 6:09:09 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Marine Inspector

Let me e'splain somthin'. The Constitution of the United State of America, is the framework of our government, and the Bill of Rights, is not a list of our rights, but a list of restrictions placed on our elected gevernment, and their employees, protecting our rights. The last four words of the Tenth Amendment, read "or to the people." The people retain power over the government. The people are the employer, and the elected government and their employees are servants of the people. Citizens and patriots, never relinquish authority nor do they surrender responsibility, for supervising the elected government, to ensure they are doing the job, they were hired to do. Citizens vote, while patriots step forward, as an employer should, when the employee needs to be shown how to do their job.

The laws written, by the legislature and approved by the esxecutive, and enforced by the justice, are from the people. The laws are guides for the effective operation of our society, follow the guides,and you stay out of trouble.

Example:
"Subsection 1324(c) of Title 8 specifically authorizes state and local officers "whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws" to make arrests for violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324. There is also a general federal statute which authorizes certain local officials to make arrests for violations of federal statutes, 18 U.S.C. § 3041. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has held that 18 U.S.C. § 3041 authorizes those local officials to issue process for the arrest, to be executed by law enforcement officers. See United States v. Bowdach, 561 F.2d 1160, 1168 (5th Cir. 1977)."

Notice how the wording of the USC "authorizes state and local officers" to perform a function. It in no way prohibits the citizens from performing the same function.


233 posted on 03/20/2006 6:18:14 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: BorderRaven
So, your plan is to hand out I-9's to determine if a person is illegal or not?

If so, what if the person refuses to fill out your I-9?
234 posted on 03/20/2006 6:21:53 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

The charge of "false arrest" is a scare tactic, to make you rethink your actions, so they can avoid their job, but if your are making a lawful arrest, then false arrest won't stick.


235 posted on 03/20/2006 6:23:26 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: Melas

I may see you applying for a job, and if so, you would produce documents, or not get hired.



236 posted on 03/20/2006 6:26:09 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: BorderRaven
Ltt me e'splain somthin'; put your plan to the test.

I want you to go arrest an illegal alien. Don't post about how you can do it; don't talk about how it's legal. Get out there and do it.

Once you've made the arrest, make sure you call the local media so they can record the whole incident and make sure you identify yourself as Freeper BorderRaven.

If your right, then you can come back here and brag. If your wrong, be sure to do up your hair and wear nice clothes for your mug shot.

Looking forward to your report from the field!
237 posted on 03/20/2006 6:27:56 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector

They have the right to remain silent.


238 posted on 03/20/2006 6:28:01 PM PST by BorderRaven
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To: VeniVidiVici

Paint ICE on it and say you're selling ice. Three letter acronyms are better than four letters - ask the FBI, CIA, DOE and the BATFE.


239 posted on 03/20/2006 6:29:29 PM PST by satan
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To: Ben Ficklin

Good old Ben, still trying to justify his illegal alien habit.


240 posted on 03/20/2006 6:41:37 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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