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What DPW Wrought
The Strata-Sphere ^ | March 14th, 2006 | AJStrata

Posted on 03/14/2006 3:24:08 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

The DPW deal seems to have done something which needed doing: expose some serious flaws on the right side of the political spectrum. I called the isolationists Chickenhawks for not being able to stand next to an Arab businessman while they supported sending troops into the Middle East to arm, train and fight by Arab freedom fighters (the real ones, not the Michael Moore mythololgy).

Rich Lowry came up with a better term: the-hell-with-them hawks. The term describes those who have surrendered on the idea of bringing the Middle East into the modern world. These folks have quit and given up and have no interest in trying anymore. Rich has also perfectly described the context of our battle:

“The contemporary Middle East has featured a competition of radicalisms - who can be religiously purer, and more hostile to the West? The project in Iraq is an attempt to shift the terms of the competition to who can better deliver peace, prosperity and representation.”

And that competition includes America and Americans. When combined with the waste byproduct of the DPW deal we see two factions competing here in the US: one group seeing who can raise the most alarms about Muslims and Arabs in America, and one competing to seperate and isolate Islamists from the broader Muslim community while reaching out to that broader community to follow our path. Not the path of the Islamists.

Liken this competition to how the ancients dealt with Lepers and their enforced isolation verses how a surgeon removes a cancer using modern medicine. In ancient times the individual who was ill was left to die away from the ‘healthy’ people. Today the individual is saved by removing the illness and remains part of society. The ‘individual’ in this case is the Muslim religion which can be salvaged, just like Christianity was from their bout of world domination and forced adherence in the Middle Ages.

John Podhoretz expands on this theme today and captures the ‘blunt instrument’ mentality driving these folks who have found the effort to continue forward too difficult:

Their argument seems hard-headed and unsentimental. People are trying to murder Americans, and such people ought to die. Kill as many of the bad guys as you can abroad. Strike Iran from the air if you have to. Do whatever you must to secure the homeland. Don’t let Arabs run the ports. Racially profile Muslims and Arabs out the wazoo. No crocodile tears for the excesses at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.

John also identifies the flaw in this view, which is the result these views will achieve. In the competition for ideas the one that promises an end to hostilities, no matter how hard to accomplish, is the better path. Here is what John envisions as the result if we quit now:

The problem is that the policies advocated by the “hell hawks” and by defeatist Democrats offer no real possibility of an end to the war against Islamic radicalism. It will go on forever.

And if it does, it seems certain that at some point in the next few decades, millions of people are going to die in a successful terrorist assault using weapons of mass destruction.

I agree, the easy near term solution is the wrong long term one. We cannot give up on the idea of transforming the Middle East, to foster the competition of peace and prosperity, as long as the majority of people there are willing to fight and die for that future. And they are. People waiting for a perfect situation so that obtaining the goal is easy are waiting on a fantasy. Reality never offers up a slam dunk to a hard problem through sitting back and waiting.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
"The DPW deal seems to have done something which needed doing: expose some serious flaws on the right side of the political spectrum."

Of course you mean "conservatives," don't you?

But you folks have exposed as the ugly under-belly of the RINO-globalists of the GOP center-left and purveyors of it's anti-U.S. sovereignty agenda.

It's clear who's been pandering to who in the name of power over principle since the year 2000.

41 posted on 03/14/2006 7:53:45 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Sam the Sham
Isn't it funny how you Dubai port deal apologists babble about how 'racist' people are who opposed the deal while you go on and prattle about how Great White Father will use it to transform and enlighten his little brown children. There is another kind of racism you know, and it is your White Missionary assumption that every 'heathen' wants to be just like you. The arrogant, imperialist assumption that you have that level of moral and cultural influence over them.

Let the record show that it is "Sam the Sham" who is calling people racist.

Let the record show that it is "Sam the Sham who says that we who support our actions in Iraq think that the Iraqis are a bunch of "little brown people".

BTW, the people of Iraq wrote their own Constitution. We the "Great White Father" didn't write it.

42 posted on 03/14/2006 7:56:22 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Echo Talon
Take a good hard look at who our allies are...and who the enemy really is.

This isn't an economic war. It isn't an ideological war.

This war is allah against non-allah. It is an old war...nothing has really changed...except now it is our time to die.

Unless we decide to get real...and fight for what is right!

Which side are you on?

43 posted on 03/14/2006 7:56:25 PM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Sam the Sham
Great post...

Too bad the delusionally obsessive won't get it.

44 posted on 03/14/2006 7:56:33 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Ah, yes, that evil canard we hear all the time...that we (shudder) want to win elections! How unprincipled of me.

Of course, all of the principles in the world don't mean a thing if you don't have the power to implement them. That is why I am a pragmatic conservative, and not a "principled" one.

I don't feel one bit guilty about it, either.

Good night.

45 posted on 03/14/2006 7:58:46 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: FreeReign; SittinYonder

LOL! I missed this earlier! LOL!

You could have added "And that's the way it is."


46 posted on 03/14/2006 8:02:32 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: All
As founders of religions go...this isn't the world's finest moment...this is hell on earth!!!


47 posted on 03/14/2006 8:04:34 PM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Miss Marple
" I am a pragmatic conservative, and not a 'principled' one.

I don't feel one bit guilty about it, either."

Some prefer to see what they want to see in the mirror.

Pleasant dreams.

48 posted on 03/14/2006 8:07:17 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: eyespysomething

Courage.


49 posted on 03/14/2006 8:12:53 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SittinYonder

LOL, even better!


50 posted on 03/14/2006 8:13:59 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: FreeReign
BTW, the people of Iraq wrote their own Constitution

Sorry, the UN did it with our help. The people of Iraq did not write their own constitution.

Encouraging efforts by the people of Iraq to form a representative government based on the rule of law that affords equal rights and justice to all Iraqi citizens without regard to ethnicity, religion, or gender, and, in this connection, recalls resolution 1325 (2000) of 31 October 2000,

Welcoming the first steps of the Iraqi people in this regard, and noting in this connection the 15 April 2003 Nasiriyah statement and the 28 April 2003 Baghdad statement,

Resolved that the United Nations should play a vital role in humanitarian relief, the reconstruction of Iraq, and the restoration and establishment of national and local institutions for representative governance,

Noting the statement of 12 April 2003 by the Ministers of Finance and Central Bank Governors of the Group of Seven Industrialized Nations in which the members recognized the need for a multilateral effort to help rebuild and develop Iraq and for the need for assistance from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank in these efforts,


http://www.iraqiconstitution.org/files/RESOLUTION%201483%20(22%20MAY%202003)%20SANCTIONS%20LIFT.doc
51 posted on 03/14/2006 8:57:23 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Echo Talon
>>>If you think AQ isn't all over Africa you're kidding yourself.<<<

And moving into South America!!

One of the most threatening is their movement into our prisons.....we have something like 1.2 million in our prisons and if only 1 in ten starts "liking" the militant Muslim credo....big trouble!!

52 posted on 03/14/2006 8:57:44 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Echo Talon
If you think AQ isn't all over Africa you're kidding yourself.

And if you think Islam is not AQ, your kidding yourself. “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

There are over a hundred verses in the Qur’an that exhort believers to wage jihad against unbelievers. JMO, The real problem here is not race. The real problem is islam.

53 posted on 03/14/2006 9:08:31 PM PST by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The premise of the article is that all opponents are only anti-Dubai. My thought (and probably quite a few others) is that American ports should be serviced by the majority of American companies. I'm not posting to argue the point, but I just want that point straightened out.


54 posted on 03/14/2006 9:10:08 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane (LET NO ONE BE FORGOTTEN, LET NO ONE FORGET)
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To: Sam the Sham
Why Poor Countries Are Poor - The clues lie on a bumpy road leading to the world’s worst library.

Dubai is prosperous, comparatively uncorrupt, and likely to get even richer.

How do you know nobody wants to change? Got any sources for that that aren't MSM or Islamist?

55 posted on 03/14/2006 11:43:24 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: F16Fighter
The Political Quiz Show

Are there any conservatives on the left side?

56 posted on 03/14/2006 11:59:42 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Sam the Sham
Fascinating about how you shift gears from "our great friends the UAE" to "be careful, now they will hurt us so we should have kept them happy" without any consciousness of contradiction or irony.

Good point, and one worth repeating.

57 posted on 03/15/2006 12:06:28 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: World'sGoneInsane
I think you have misidentified the premise.

Should most of the shipping be American-flag carriers?

58 posted on 03/15/2006 12:07:35 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Sam the Sham
The Key Strategic Question
59 posted on 03/15/2006 1:02:57 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

What the Emir of Dubai wants and the man in the street want are two different things. What the Shah wanted and the Iranian man in the street wanted were two different things.


60 posted on 03/15/2006 3:40:36 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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