Evolving doors: Students say they wouldn’t mind hearing both sides (Re Intelligent Design)

AP via News/Tribune ^ | 3-14-06 | kyle lowry

[William Terrell]

Why would any truth, if it is truth, mind any presentation of evidence agaisnt it?

[Physicist]

Why would any truth, if it is truth, mind any presentation of evidence agaisnt it?

Because in the case of ID, it isn't just "any presentation of evidence". It's a dishonest, factitious presentation designed only to cast spurious doubt upon established knowledge, and not to offer any viable alternative.

ID is the academic equivalent of a push-poll. It doesn't care how the questions are answered because the questions aren't presented honestly. The questions are merely there to tarnish, in the listener's mind, something the questioner opposes.

[William Terrell]

Now, both you and I know the base of this school controversy is the exposure of cross-species evolution to examination of lacks therein.

But, OK, Let's suppose that ID became the dominant belief because it is taught and most people liked that one. What then? So what? Why so excited?

You wouldn't have to believe it if you didn't want to.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

It's obvious that these "teachers" are afraid that, if given the facts, students will see through Darwin's big lie.

And yet creationists continue to avoid or distort the facts.

Where are your billion year old human fossils?

Why are there no living trilobites, or thecodonts?

Where is your evidence for a cement flood from space that turns plants and animals to rock?

There's little doubt that anyone who wants to push creationism has no interest in teaching science.

[LouAvul]

Neither is evolution science.

In order to be scientific it must be reproducible.

Evolution cannot be reproduced.

Evolution is not scientific.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" In order to be scientific it must be reproducible."

Nope. It has to be testable, not reproducible. If what you claim is true, there could be no historical sciences.

[LouAvul]

Prove the opposite is true.

(Crickets chirping.)

Troll someone else's thread.

[LouAvul]

ID says the Earth is billions of years old, and that evolution happened

Not true.

[LouAvul]

using tools of rational inquiry

I do not consider evolutionary hypothesis to be rational. It's more wishful thinking.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" Not true."

Sorry, it is true. Every major ID proponent (Behe, Dembski, Denton are great examples) accept an old earth and common descent. Their beef is HOW this happened, not IF. If you don't accept ID and common descent, ID isn't for you.

[JCEccles]

Evolution is a scientific fact

An entirely misleading statement.

Variation within a species is a fact.

The mechanism by which whole new species arise is not known. However, it involves the insinuation of non-trivial, directed, and highly complex new information within a genome.

And that implies intelligent action.

[LouAvul]

why 99.999% of scientists agree about the Theory of Evolution

I don't believe that. Prove it.

[Clemenza]

How can you prove a negative? I have NEVER seen physical evidence, tested and subject to peer review, that God/Allah/Marduk/Romulus/Zeus ever existed, have you?

[LouAvul]

I have evidence.

No you don't. If you had evidence, we would not be having this discussion.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" No you don't. If you had evidence, we would not be having this discussion."

Sure we would. You would just ignore it, like a good anti-evo.

[LouAvul]

I have never seen a complex, delicate yet durable universe "pop" into existence from nothing. Have you?

[JCEccles]

99.999% of scientists agree about the Theory of Evolution.

Probably closer to 90 percent.

And that includes a huge number of scientists who merely accept the darwinists' faith claims at face value, and scientists who keep silent on the issue to avoid being subjected to an atheist inquisition.

[LouAvul]

And you do likewise. In the final analysis, one will choose what one believes.

[LouAvul]

Probably closer to 90 percent.

I don't believe that, either. Proof, please.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"And you do likewise. In the final analysis, one will choose what one believes."

But I can DO it. You can't. Put up or shut up. I'm willing. :)