Dubai threat to hit back (UAE Threatens Against Boeing and US Bases Support)

The Hill.com ^ | March 9, 2006 | Roxana Tiron

[TigersEye]

Ok, since you are obviously into semantics, let's just refer to it as "calling someone stupid" when you should either post a informed response.

We're all waiting for you to post just one informed post.

But only you seemed to be attacking those who disagree with you as "stupid".

I don't think there is even one post on this thread where I called anyone stupid. Show it to me. Don't show me a post where I generalized either. Show me where I called a specific poster stupid.

Again with semantics. Substitute "operate" for "control".

That's not semantics either. They were neither going to control or operate a port. They were going to manage, at quite a corporate distance, a few terminals. You have been lying through your teeth about that. Not a few have pointed that out.

The President is wrong on the borders.

[Sam the Sham]

Back during Desert Storm I a Saudi official was quoted in the WSJ saying, "Why should I send my own son to die for the Kuwaitis when I have my white slaves from America to do it for me ?"

Now the Islamic world has a long history of 'slave soldiers' like ghulams or Mamluks or Janissaries who were the model for the fictional "Sardaukar" in "Dune". But it still stings. It stings because the Gulf Arabs are so accustomed to dealing with corrupt Americans that they have no real respect for us. They are used to stupid girls who thought they were marrying into Arabian Nights. They are used to whores. They are used to State Department Arabists who look forward to cozy careers as Saudi lobbyists. After 9/11 when they sent a delegation to a WTO conference in NYC, they decided to embark on a 'charm offensive'. As if throwing around big tips in Manhattan would endear them to us.

The UAE was convinced that they had greased the right people and this would easily go through. They greased Limbaugh plenty. They are angry and shocked to see that not every American has his price.

'Friends' who toss a handful of coins at your feet and expect you to scramble for them we don't need.

[TigersEye]

I happen to agree with Schumer on this.

Knock yourself out.

[mlc9852]

Well, the way the deal stands right now, I no longer have to worry about it.

[Flux Capacitor]

----'Friends' who toss a handful of coins at your feet and expect you to scramble for them we don't need.----

This is the best post of the entire thread.

-Dan

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

We don't elect congressmen to represent the interests of Harry Stonecipher, or W. James McNerney, or whichever bozo happens to be the CEO of Boeing this week.

We elect them to represent our interests.

[TigersEye]

I don't think so. You said you hadn't seen suggestions other than mass deportations on FR. Didn't you?

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

BTTT

[jonrick46]

Here is another factor that tells the story about the modernization of ports that DP World would offer to our port efficiency. This is what I got from a web site talking about the Pusan, Korea development. This site is for some reason, down. This site I mentioned in my last post and this is information I hope will add to the big picture thinking about DP World:

"Today, serving the United Arab Shipping Company’s (UASC) feeder vessel Ibn Hayyan, one crane achieved 32 container moves an hour while another achieved an extraordinary 41 moves an hour.

"The average in local ports is around 22 container moves an hour.

"The PNC port is located at the boundary of the West side of Busan City and eastern tip of Kyongsangnam-do, Republic of Korea. The new terminal, 1.2 kilometres long, consisting of three berths of 350 metres each, designed to cater for the new generation mega-container vessels, is the first of three phases of the PNC development. A further three berths are scheduled for completion at the end of 2006 and the final three are due to be in operation by 2009. The overall terminal has a conservative estimated handling capacity of 5.5 million TEU and will stretch 3.2 kilometres.

"The advanced container handling equipment at the facility includes nine Ship-to-Shore cranes (STS) and 18 cantilever Rail Mounted Gantry Cranes (RMGC). The STS cranes will enable the terminal to handle the new, wider container vessels and the facility will host the largest container cranes built to date with a rail gauge of 42.7 metres designed for nine traffic lanes and boom outreach over 22 rows. The RMGCs constructed by Doosan Heavy Industries and Construction Co. handle nine rows with a stacking height of six containers and a lifting capacity of 65 LT. The semi-automated cranes are equipped with GPS and trailer positioning systems along with safety features for the protection of trucks.

"The facility is forecast to become the Gateway Hub of Northeast Asia because of its strategic location between Japan and Northeast China. The surrounding area also has an extremely strong indigenous market and transportation infra-structure which makes the geographic position ideal for such a large container hub facility.

"In addition, a total of 4.08 million square meters of terminal and logistics support area has been designated as a Free Trade Zone which will encompass international facilities for integrated logistics and affiliated industries.

About DP World:

"DP World is a leading global port operator with a portfolio of operations in Asia, Australia, Europe, Latin America, and the Middle East. The company has 22 container terminals in 15 countries. "DP World is the result of the integration of Dubai Ports Authority (“DPA”) and DPI Terminals (“DPI”) in September 2005. This new entity continues the tremendous success of the DPA and DPI businesses, which have been at the forefront of Dubai's extraordinary transformation into one of the world's leading trade and commerce hubs.

"DP World manages the commercial and operational aspects of the port network, formerly developed and managed by DPA and DPI.

"In 2005, the terminals operated by DP World handled an estimated 13 million TEU which include ports on five continents from the Americas to Asia.

"DP World's unique cross-sector expertise offers solutions in all aspects of port operations, ultimately driving efficiency and financial returns for port users. DP World will continue to provide the same high level of service that customers have come to expect. DP World continues to provide a superior level of service to shipping lines at its flagship domestic operations of Port Rashid and Jebel Ali which has been voted “Best Seaport in the Middle East” for 10 consecutive years. Dubai is ranked as the 10th largest port operation in the world and DP World is the 7th largest global operator.

"There are a number of significant projects in the pipeline that will strengthen the DP World network, including developments in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. In February 2005 an agreement with the Cochin Port Trust (CoPT) was signed to construct, develop and operate an international container transshipment terminal at Vallarpadam, Kochi, India. It is the largest single operator container terminal currently planned in India and the first in the country to operate in a special economic zone. The new terminal will make Kochi a key centre in the shipping world reducing India’s dependence on foreign ports to handle transshipment.

"One cornerstone project, which underlines DP World’s position as a major player in Asia, is the development of Pusan Newport, South Korea. DP World has a 39.55% interest in and management contract for this 9-berth facility, which has a capacity of 5.5 million TEU.

"In March 2005, DP World was awarded a 30 year concession to develop and operate the container terminal at the Port of Fujairah, in the UAE. This was followed in July 2005 by the awarding of a management contract for Mina Zayed Port, Abu Dhabi. These concessions will enable DP World to streamline operations at the major container facilities of the UAE, and further increase the choices available to its customers. In June 2005 DP World was short listed as preferred bidder to operate the container terminal at the Port of Aden.

"In November 2005 DP World also announced agreements to develop new container terminals at Yarimca, Turkey and Qingdao, China.

"On 29 November 2005, DP World announced the terms of a recommended cash offer to acquire all of the issued and to be issued Deferred Stock of the P&O Group. When completed, this deal will make DP World a top three global port operator.

"DP World also has interests in logistics businesses in Hong Kong and China, notably ATL, the market leading logistics operator based at Kwai Chung, Hong Kong."

This the link to the above information: http://www.dpiterminals.com/fullnews.asp?NewsID=38

[Joan Kerrey]

So, UAE resorts to economic blackmail.

Extortion is probably a better word but can you blame them?

We don't protect our northern or southern borders, many liberal cities all over the nation refuse to make any effort to enforce immigration laws, we sold zillions of high tech equipment and manuals to China and others who we can't really call our friends and then we give the finger to one of the few middle eastern governments who have sided with us on the war on terror and who have done so at great risk to themselves. Look at our other port operations nation wide and see who else operates them. They are operated by China, Singapore and others and some of these deals were made under democratic admins. Carter gave Panama canal back to Panama who sold it to the Chinese. This action by both spineless Democrats and republicans in congress is outrageous. There is no hope left folks. Let's just throw in the towel. We are no longer blessed with leadership who consider long term effects of their decisions but by those opportunists who have only their own selfish political interests up front.

[teawithmisswilliams]

Another LIE. This was started by the RATs and the gullible followed right along.

Any proof for your libel? I was e-mailing my senators and representatives a good week before Schumer jumped on board. And I was far from alone.

[TigersEye]

"Jesus, how can you trust a bunch of Arab Sheikhs in white robes this much?"

Your facts are false and have been well proven false. The statement above speaks for itself.

[nicmarlo]

not every American has his price

BTTT

[KJC1]

I just did a quick scan, and only got through about 1/4 of this thread. There is much more.
#326,190,176,129,119,9

also:
#10 and 22 here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1593048/posts

[ARealMothersSonForever]

The question was straightforward. Why can't you just answer it?

OK. We do not NEED the UAE as an ally. If we can continue with current arrangements, fine. If they scotch all cooperation over this, we do NOT need them. This will not happen. Dubai voluntarily offered to divest the American part of the deal, and did not throw the military out. So you are speculating.

[Blackirish]

Set your daughters up as hostesses for young Moslem males. We need to understand and accept their culture and that seems like a good start.
A vacation mansion for the emirs. It can be built on the graves of those who died on 9-11.

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I just got back from Dubai. I go there regularly for biz. They are more pro American then most Americans.

You should prolly kinda know what your talking about before ranting.

[KJC1]

OK. We do not NEED the UAE as an ally. If we can continue with current arrangements, fine. If they scotch all cooperation over this, we do NOT need them. This will not happen. Dubai voluntarily offered to divest the American part of the deal, and did not throw the military out. So you are speculating.

You are dodging. You are adding extraneous garbage to avoid answering a very simple question, which was (at #1529):

Bottom line: Would the WOT (and therefore the U.S.) be better served by A) an alliance with the UAE or B)not having the UAE as an ally? A or B?

[Howlin]

No, I said I saw that on thoese threads. Big time.

[jpsb]

4 out of 6 by the same poster. And nothing racist about refering to UAE as an "Arab" nation. I was thinking that you have sees alot of posts that use the word Arab in an insulting/racist manner. Guess I was not clear on that point, sorry.