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Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll (69% of Americans Want alternate theories allowed in class)
WorldnetDaily.Com ^ | 03/07/2006

Posted on 03/07/2006 2:34:37 PM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: Luis Gonzalez
400 and out for the night.

Or 401 if PH is still stirring.

401 posted on 03/07/2006 8:38:16 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

How do you feel about teaching the idea that life may have originated from outer space? In science class?


402 posted on 03/07/2006 8:41:01 PM PST by manwiththehands
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To: narby
The evidence doesn't matter to creationists. All of it will be twisted to fit the desired result.

I have demonstrated here how this paper does the same thing. And it certainly isn't by creationists. I don't need to look up Morton's demon. You are a perfect example of it in action.

403 posted on 03/07/2006 8:41:45 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: manwiththehands

Waht proof would be offered to support the theory?

Science is not the art of "what if".


404 posted on 03/07/2006 8:43:11 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Coyoteman

Yeah...but this could be the only Crevo thread ever to include the Three Faces of Jacko.


405 posted on 03/07/2006 8:44:52 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: SirLinksalot

The real numbers are probably much higher.

I got push polled the other day.

My responses must have not been what they wanted.

The automated system skipped question 3 all together.


406 posted on 03/07/2006 8:46:14 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..".Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity"GW Bush)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
No one should be ablt to force other people's kids to sit in a classroom and listen to a science teacher give his views on Creation.

A math Phd that I work with, a liberal and atheist, is particularly motivated to help the Democrats and hates Bush because he thinks that Bush will force his kids to pray in school and learn about Christian creationism in science class.

There are enough bogus reasons for liberals to work for Democrats already, without creationists waving another red flag in front of the bull. Creationism in public schools will serve no purpose, because it can be taught in churches all anyone can want. Teaching creationism doesn't stop another abortion. Teaching creationism doesn't make better Hollywood movies. All creationism is, is an emotional issue that a few people have seized on to make a living with. That's it. It doesn't improve any Christian's lives, solves nothing, doesn't put a single terrorist in jail or bring another person to Jesus (indeed, chases them away, as it did me).

That some people just don't get this, or don't care, just amazes me.

407 posted on 03/07/2006 8:46:27 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: Coyoteman
[ A new survey on religious beliefs found half of all American adults believe in ghosts, almost a third believe in astrology and more than a quarter believe in reincarnation. ]

And almost half the voteing public voted for a known moron Al Gore too in 2000, whats that prove.. ALL of Massachucetts is brain damaged.. and most of California.. And most of the people on Social Security DON'T think SSA is socialism incarnate.. Try to find a republican that would turn DOWN a government check.. I'm for teaching devolution in the schools.. We are devolved from chimps..

408 posted on 03/07/2006 8:46:45 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
My typical response to evo-religion FReepers:

(beating my head against the wall)

409 posted on 03/07/2006 8:50:13 PM PST by manwiththehands
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To: editor-surveyor
First, because he said that they remain the same, in several places.

Even if that's true, it doesn't answer my question: what does changing species have to do with God's plan?

BTW, where did God say such a thing? This is the first I've heard of it.

410 posted on 03/07/2006 8:50:14 PM PST by curiosity
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To: ahayes; Dimensio
How's that an appeal to ignorance? Does science have all the answers?

... this is common characteristics in DNA segments where a difference would have no effect on physical characteristics of the organism.

*no perceptible effect* might work. Has this just been calculated or has someone actually run experiments to determine it?

411 posted on 03/07/2006 8:50:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Example of one question: "When Darwin’s theory of evolution is taught in school, students should also be able to learn about scientific evidence that points to an intelligent design of life.”

It doesn't get more loaded than that. It's like saying, "The trial of Saddam Hussein should also include the evidence that Mr. Hussein is a magical democracy fairy who was put on earth to bring peace to the Middle East."

412 posted on 03/07/2006 8:57:02 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: AndrewC
[If you want to believe that God directed it, like He directs thunderstorms, fine. But just like evaporation and condensation explains how He makes thunderstorms, evolution explains how He made species, including humans.] I will start with the last statement. It is a red herring.

It's a red herring because it's a red herring. Creationist logic.

If you believe that God can cause thunderstorms by the scientifically explained evaporation and condensing, then why is it impossible for God to cause human existence by the scientifically explained evolution?

I'd particularly enjoy it if you'd bring up some Bible verses to describe Gods creation of weather events, and compare it to the Bible's description of the creation of life and humans. I'd wager that the Bible says something to the effect that God makes the weather, and God creates life. In neither instance does the Bible describe the scientific basics, for either weather, or creation via evolution.

As for your "gains and loses" tree, you're making the assumption that entire ERV virus sections in total are inserted and removed. DNA doesn't work like that. Examine the abstract in one of the above posts, and note that it talks about the human HERV site, and that it was undisturbed by any insertion. DNA is a chain of zillions of base pairs, and once you insert an entire section, it becomes one with the genome, and it doesn't remove itself as a single entity.

413 posted on 03/07/2006 8:58:20 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: narby

I said it was a red herring. My discussion was the paper on ERV. You can try to change the subject to depth charging octopi, but it would still be a red herring.


414 posted on 03/07/2006 9:01:23 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
[The evidence doesn't matter to creationists. All of it will be twisted to fit the desired result.] I have demonstrated here how this paper does the same thing.

Actually, I don't remember any such thing. Perhaps you'd best diagram the relevant sentence in the abstract, which is all we have of the paper.

As for Morton's demon, if you're claiming that both of us are afflicted, fine. You will need to make far more precise arguments than just making broad claims. I will attempt to do the same.

415 posted on 03/07/2006 9:03:38 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: Dimensio
However, to counter the theory of evolution it must be demonstrated that mutations can never be beneficial.

That makes sense.

416 posted on 03/07/2006 9:05:17 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Looks like the ID/Creation position is making major advances.

In 20 years, the ToE will be cast on the ash-heap of history. the more we learn about about the inner working of a simple cell and reproduction, the more obvious it will become that macro-evolution is impossible.

Doesn't look like many people care what Judge Jones ruled. people realize that the ruling of one judge means nothing in regards to the truth.
417 posted on 03/07/2006 9:05:45 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Coyoteman; editor-surveyor
Yes, during several field trips in grad school. Google "channeled scablands" to learn about the huge flood that washed through eastern Washington state at the end of the glacial episode (actually several times). Been there, studied that.

From which schools did you get your degrees?

418 posted on 03/07/2006 9:10:45 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: AndrewC
I said it was a red herring.

Creationist logic, that means it's a red herring. I get it.

My discussion was the paper on ERV.

Yeah. What about it? Your original post about the paper claimed it demolished the idea that ERVs can be used to track evolution. But the abstract specifically said otherwise. Please post an explanation for why I am wrong. Be specific.

You can try to change the subject to depth charging octopi, but it would still be a red herring.

Your Morton's demon is allowing you to deliberately miss my point. The Bible said God is the creator, but doesn't give any significant detail about how He did this. Same with thunderstorms.

If you believe God causes thunderstorms, then why aren't you railing at classes about the weather that mention evaporation and condensation? After all, God created the weather, and that's it. No mention of evaporation should be allowed in your world, if you are to remain consistent with your claim that evolution should be ignored.

419 posted on 03/07/2006 9:14:25 PM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
But you're not a creationist

No. Can you show one post ever by me that advocated or supported either six day/6K earth creationsim or intelligent design?

I never have because I don't. But, pointing out ignorance and idiocy of pompous buffoons who do not understand the biology they ostensibly champion makes your head spin and you are not able to actually comprehend an objective view point vis-a-vis science or that someone can not hate and want to stifle those who do believe ID or creationism who doesn't share those views.

So go ahead, I challenge you to find one post ever when I advocated either ID or creationsim.

420 posted on 03/07/2006 9:17:02 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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