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ABORTION AND ENVIRONMENTALISM - THE SAME EVIL
VANITY | 3/2/2006 | AMOS THE PROPHET

Posted on 03/02/2006 6:48:02 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

Abortion and environmental laws stem from the same principle, the reduction of the human species to a status of undesirable.

The laws that destroy private property, imprison nature lovers, fine farmers and hunters, and restrict access to vast tracts of wilderness are all done in the name of protecting "nature" from people. This is not simply a matter of laws that can be undone.

There are countless examples of environmental laws run amock with deadly consequences. An excellent one is the banning of DDT, considered a miracle product with profound health benefits during its use. The banning of DDT was an act of pure murderous demogoguery. Not one of the thousands of workers involved in the production of DDT was ever found to have an adverse health condition. Several of the manufacturers ate DDT by the spoonful to demonstrate that it was not a health risk. Nontheless the substance was banned.

There was never any science proving that DDT was dangerous. No such proof exists even today. DDT was banned purely for political reasons, to placate enviro Nazis. It has resulted in the death of tens of millions of children by malaria and other mosquito born diseases. None of these deaths need have occured.

The outrageous premise that falcon egg shells were thinned by DDT - a fraudulent claim - was used as adequate justification for the death of millions of children. In truth the birds had been hunted to near extinction 50 years earlier and were rebounding when the ban was instituted.

If you believe that environmental laws are merely laws that can be changed and have no lasting consequences you have not looked at the issue. Very nearly as many have died due to the dehumanizing influence of environmentalism as from abortion. All have died for the same reason, because there is a culture of death in control of our political establishment that is committed to the eradication of undesirable human beings.

In the 20th century nearly every nation embarked on a campaign to eradicate undesirables. Nearly half a billion humans were slaughtered in the 20th century in obedience to this evil philosophy. The great slaughter in China of 30 million in the name of the Great Leap Forward was exceeded by the murder of as many by a Woman's Right to Choose in the US.

Environmentalism is an evil philosophy that must be eradicated from our nation. It has no place in a society committed to human dignity and freedom.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; ecoping; environmentalism; leftists; prolife
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To: Kelly_2000

I agree with the author of this thread they are a group that has a large stake commercially in their agenda. They protect billions of dollars of research grants and sponsorships and donations. They are compromised and not to be trusted in my opinion


You have hit the nail on the head.

OB


61 posted on 03/02/2006 5:01:32 PM PST by OBone (Support our boys in uniform - TAKE NO PRISONERS)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Lots like pyrethrum and certain herbs but the ONLY issue is money. There are a wealth of resources you can look at on the internet. Do the research like I did and you'll see.


62 posted on 03/02/2006 5:01:52 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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63 posted on 03/02/2006 5:28:01 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Amos the Prophet

My concern is how much money politicians from both sides of the isles are getting from envirnomental groups. I suspect that is where their power is coming from.


64 posted on 03/02/2006 5:49:22 PM PST by midwyf (Eliminate government involvement in the environmental religion too.)
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To: midwyf

My concern is how much money politicians from both sides of the isles are getting from envirnomental groups. I suspect that is where their power is coming from.

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The money raised to save ------- (fill in the blank) is used to pay fat salaries and maintain offices in DC and state capitals. There are thousands of so-called environmentalist lobbyists working to protect their budgets and create permanent jobs.
Many of these carpetbaggers land jobs with government agencies that do nothing more than hassle property owners. Environmentalism is a scourge upon the land. It is based on the extermination of species, not on their protection.


65 posted on 03/02/2006 8:58:39 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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66 posted on 03/02/2006 10:33:41 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


67 posted on 03/02/2006 11:44:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Paul C. Jesup
"You don’t need to know the exact math formulas to the physics behind the inner workings of the internal combustion engine of a car to be a mechanic who’s fixes those engines"

Sorry but that is a horribly simplistic example, would you be so confident if we made the illustration more representational? Say could you as a lay person repair a nuclear power-plant? which is getting close to the complexity of any given ecosystem on this planet.

"The same principle applies to gardening, you don't need to know the exact DNA make up of a plant to grow and take care of the plant"

Again if you want to grow more than just a single plant in other words maintain n ecosystem then understanding every process i not just vital is it a requirement for success. the largest biosphere experiment failed even with the top scientists from all 3 continents including the USA working on it.

68 posted on 03/03/2006 1:51:10 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Chanticleer
OK we have the same values and beliefs in that case :-)
69 posted on 03/03/2006 1:54:01 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Terriergal
"BINGO! PETA is a great one for playing on people's ignorance of animals and animal behavior to get their agendas across."

I agree most politically active environmental lobby groups have retained lawyers and PR expert for just this purpose.

70 posted on 03/03/2006 2:55:46 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Terriergal
"Yeah just like Republicans want children to starve.

/sarcasm

Need a little more straw for your straw man?"

Thanks for the support :-)

71 posted on 03/03/2006 3:12:40 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: OBone

Thanks OB :-)


72 posted on 03/03/2006 3:13:22 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Terriergal

I do not support churches taking positions on environmental issues -- like the recent global warming position taken by some churches.


73 posted on 03/03/2006 4:54:10 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: Terriergal
Never heard of him. I looked him up just enough to see that he's some sort of activist.
74 posted on 03/03/2006 5:02:17 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: Terriergal
Have you read my messages? What straw man?

All I said is that you can't totally throw out the concept of care or concern for the environment just because liberal environmentalists have a twisted agenda. My point was to say that not all attempts to protect the environment are harmful. It's pretty easy to protect a water supply with some simple sanitation policies. When third-world communities lack these policies, their people get disease. All policies to protect the environment are not bad.

75 posted on 03/03/2006 5:06:55 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: Kelly_2000
Hurrah! (Happy Friday!) Spaz
76 posted on 03/03/2006 5:07:53 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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To: Amos the Prophet; Chanticleer
Wrong again and again and again and again. It must be difficult to never be right. DDT does not harm invertebrates. There are no studies showing resistance to DDT. It IS a wonder pesticide. Saying it ain't so does not mean it ain't so.

That's laughable. Why don't you try doing some research other than that spit out by junkscience.com. For starters why not look at ECOTOX and review DDT Saves Lives

77 posted on 03/03/2006 6:15:28 AM PST by GreenFreeper (Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
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To: Chanticleer
"All I said is that you can't totally throw out the concept of care or concern for the environment just because liberal environmentalists have a twisted agenda."

But you did make some pretty big assumptions and generalizations about my viewpoint yes?

"My point was to say that not all attempts to protect the environment are harmful."

But most of them are, also most are based on an erroneous position or on scientific data misquoted or taken out of context. They are rarely objective, they find data to suite an argument rather than objectively researching a hypothesis in the scientific method.

As long as the policy is scientifically validated, and also has acceptable impact on the population and economy. Most eco-policy is based on criteria other than economic viability sustainability and they often ignore knock on effects to society in general.

"When third-world communities lack these policies, their people get disease. "

Most environmental lobbyists would rather see third world development stall and stay in the middle ages. They believe their lifestyles are "natural" and have less impact on the environment.

I am still unsure why you tried to label this tag on me, it's ridiculous

"All policies to protect the environment are not bad."

Most of these policies effect other aspects of the environment detrimentally. So called "natural" policy favors lo-tech implementation over industrialization and development. It is mankind's evolutionary destiny to tame and control his environment. mankind is changing his environment all the time, to imply this is not "natural" is ludicrous.

78 posted on 03/03/2006 6:42:21 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: GreenFreeper
there is in fact massive evidence to support safe utilization of DDT. the response to DDT decades ago was emotive and political NOT scientific
79 posted on 03/03/2006 6:44:11 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Kelly_2000; GreenFreeper
I thought we were in agreement. Perhaps this is the root of our problem. You posted this excerpt from my post and with a response. I have taken the first line of your response and posted below:

You quoted: "From a scientific perspective, if we don't care for the environment, we perish. "

You responded: Sorry but there is no scientific basis for that comment, many environmental issues are based on poor grasp of science in general.

It appears to me that you are saying that there is no scientific basis for saying that if we don't care for the environment, we perish. I responded with my comment about the sanitation issues and water source pollution in third-world countries as a no-brainer example of when failing to care for the environment leads to disease and death. Other examples are wise farming techniques and proper storage and disposal of hazardous materials. I agree that there are cases where misguided attempts to help the environment have actually caused harm.

I do not support the work of any organized environmental groups at this time. I certainly don't support PETA. (I love animals, but my pets are pets, and I eat tasty meat.) I do believe that a lot of environmental policy is based upon bad science and a leftist, anti-human world view. I believe in Father God, not Mother Earth.

This thread simply illustrates how the very words conservation or environmental protection bring out the ire of conservatives. I am extremely pro-life. I am species-ist. I have four children and am open to more if God wills it -- I'm not one who wants to limit population. But I take very seriously my responsibility to be a good steward of God's creation -- not only for his Glory but for the wellbeing of my family, neighbors and future generations. Conservation is Conservative!

80 posted on 03/03/2006 7:28:57 AM PST by Chanticleer (Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready. T. Roosevelt)
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