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Ex-gays promote the straight life
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH ^ | 02/26/2006 | Kim Bell

Posted on 02/26/2006 5:41:59 AM PST by Joe Republc

MANCHESTER — A traveling conference advocating the heterosexual lifestyle came to the suburbs of west St. Louis County on Saturday. As gay-rights groups staged a peaceful protest outside the First Evangelical Free Church, conventioneers spent the day inside, mostly listening to speakers who say they were previously gay. Parents of gay and lesbian children got advice and could speak to counselors about what to do, short of accepting their child's behavior. "We suggest you decline an invitation to a civil commitment ceremony," Melissa Fryrear told a group of parents. Some busily took notes; a few others wiped away tears. "So many Christians are yielding on this part," she said. The Love Won Out event was sponsored by Focus on the Family, a conservative Christian group that Fryrear works for in Colorado, and Exodus International, an umbrella group of ministries by formerly gay people. The conference is in its eighth year, but this is its first time in St. Louis.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: dobson; exgays; exodus; exodusinternational; gay; gays; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lovewonout; recoveringhomos; reparative; therapy
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To: Joe Republc

Why must they persist in calling homosexuals "gay"? When it's a misnomer to say the least. Ex homosexuals should be the first to point this out.


41 posted on 02/26/2006 12:32:45 PM PST by Bullish ( The pig headed monkeys of Islam can kiss my grits!)
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To: BibChr
Utility isn't a "transcendent moral value", it is simply a hallmark of functionality and sustainability.

Many suicide bombers seem to believe they are following a divine mandate. Whether or not this is true, such values are ultimately self-limiting and not sustainable. The question of whether this value was "made up" or derived from external authority makes little difference. In either case the value is or is not adopted by individual choice.
42 posted on 02/26/2006 12:41:36 PM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: Bullish
"Why must they persist in calling homosexuals "gay"? When it's a misnomer to say the least. Ex homosexuals should be the first to point this out."

If "gay" means happy, and "Queer" means odd, shouldn't they call themselves "odds" ?

I mean, after all, If they are happy being queers, they should be happy being proud of being odd.
43 posted on 02/26/2006 1:00:56 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Joe Republc; Mrs. Don-o; DirtyHarryY2K
Brokeback Syndrome — More Than One Way Off the Mountain

44 posted on 02/26/2006 1:42:23 PM PST by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy & his nephew doing on Good Friday, 1991? Getting drunk and raping women)
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To: Joe Republc
There is no test, no procedure, experimental or otherwise, that can determine one's sexual orientation. When somebody claims to be gay and we believe them, what we're really doing is taking them at their word. We believe their claim, we believe their testimony and their declaration that they are gay.

When somebody claims to be ex-gay the world is suddenly skeptical. The world doesn't believe their claim, the world doesn't believe their testimony and their declaration that they are ex-gay.

When somebody uses the same standard to believe the declaration of gays but ignores the declaration of ex-gays, they should ask themselves why they believe one group and not the other.

45 posted on 02/26/2006 2:35:58 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

"... When somebody claims to be ex-gay the world is suddenly skeptical. The world doesn't believe their claim, the world doesn't believe their testimony and their declaration that they are ex-gay.

When somebody uses the same standard to believe the declaration of gays but ignores the declaration of ex-gays, they should ask themselves why they believe one group and not the other."

Great point.

BTW, I heard a caller on Rush the other day say the Democratic platform was based on Sodomy, Treason, and Atheism. It provoked a good laugh from me, Rush, and I'm sure many others. But actually it kind of sums up a lot of things, doesn't it?

-- Joe


46 posted on 02/26/2006 6:43:36 PM PST by Joe Republc
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To: AustinBill; BibChr
Does treating others as one would wish oneself to be treated not have a utilitarian value?

With regard to...? I'm trying to grasp your framework without the benefit of my morning java.

If what you are implying is that we should accept homosexuality because our heterosexuality is acceptable, well...that just doesn't hold up for me, not from a moral standpoint. I do not believe that that is what we are called to do, as Christians. If the life of someone you knew was spinning out of control from drinking, would you stand aside and watch the train wreck or would you do what you could to get them to stop? Here's a better example, closer to the mark: My oldest sister wanted to come visit for a weekend recently, and she wanted to bring her new boyfriend. They are welcome in my home, but I let my sis know that one of them could have the spare bedroom, the other could have the sofa-bed in the living room in which to sleep. They decided not to visit, after all. If I had let them "shack up" under my roof, not only would I be setting a hideously bad example for my kids, but I would basically be telling my sister "It's okay to sin! Have at it." I love my sister too much to do that.

Of course, it is entirely possible that I am misunderstanding your initial premise.

47 posted on 02/27/2006 5:53:35 AM PST by grellis (can't sleep clown will eat me)
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To: grellis
Good points, but a bit out of context. I'm afraid the snippit you quoted was from a tangential discussion about the origin of moral compasses.

Christianity is particularly clear on the point you note: love the sinner, not the sin.
48 posted on 02/27/2006 6:41:10 AM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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