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Even before implantation, embryos are human, says Vatican official
Catholic News Service ^ | February 24, 2006 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 02/24/2006 11:36:30 AM PST by NYer

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While some scientists, legislators and even some parents see the human embryo as material that can be studied, frozen or destroyed, for the Catholic Church an embryo is human and has "a special relationship with God," said Bishop Elio Sgreccia.

The bishop, president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, said that before allowing scientists to study the possibilities for manipulating human embryos, wider society should be asking itself when does life begin and when does life begin to have value.

Bishop Sgreccia and other experts from the academy met the press Feb. 24 to introduce a Feb. 27-28 conference titled, "The Human Embryo Before Implantation: Scientific Update and Bioethical Considerations."

"It is a theme that, at first glance, can seem strictly scientific or biological," the bishop said. "But this theme represents, in our opinion, the key question both for anthropology -- which asks, 'When does life begin?' -- and for ethics -- which asks, 'What value should be given to the embryo in its earliest stages?'"

Only when the basic questions are answered, he said, can one really discuss the ethical implications of creating embryos in a laboratory, performing experiments on them, selecting certain embryos for implantation and freezing or destroying the others.

Bishop Sgreccia said that while the speakers on the conference program share the Catholic Church's point of view, the public was invited to the meeting "because we wanted to put all our cards on the table."

Respect for the human embryo from the moment of conception, he said, is an "ethically sustainable position supported by scientific data and philosophical reasoning."

The academy chose to look specifically at embryos before implantation, which begins to occur about seven days after fertilization and is complete by 14 days after fertilization, because some scientists and ethicists insist that pregnancy does not begin until the embryo is implanted in the uterus.

Dr. Adriano Bompiani, an obstetrician-gynecologist at Rome's Sacred Heart University and former president of the Italian National Bioethics Committee, said that from a rational point of view, it is clear that human life begins when the sperm penetrates the egg and "the progressive differentiation and acquisition of complexity" begins.

Dutch Bishop Willem Eijk of Groningen, a physician and bioethicist, said the progressive movement from fertilization to implantation, the beginning of cerebral activity, the ability to feel pain and finally the ability to survive outside the uterus point to the fact that the embryo is a developing human from the very beginning.

"Modern anthropologies that attribute to the embryo the status of a human person only from the moment when there is self-awareness -- at the end of the pregnancy -- or even when there is a manifestation of rational consciousness -- which occurs long after birth -- are characterized by a profound dualism not able to explain the human being as a substantial unity" of body and mind or spirit, the bishop said.

Jesuit Father Kevin T. FitzGerald, who holds a doctorate in molecular genetics and is a professor at the Center for Clinical Bioethics at Georgetown University in Washington, spoke about pre-implantation diagnosis of human embryos.

Initially, he said, diagnosis and screening was conducted in connection with in vitro fertilization procedures to help doctors choose the embryos most likely to survive.

Then, he said, it was used to identify embryos with genetic malformations and diseases, but "there are already discussions in several countries regarding the use of PGD (Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis) to pursue 'family balancing,'" the preference of the parents to have a boy or a girl.

Father FitzGerald said the risk is a move "from seeing a child as an unconditionally welcomed gift to seeing him as a conditionally acceptable product."


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KEYWORDS: conception; embryo; fecundation; ivf; vatican
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Again, inevitable death vs induced death is the critical distinction. A baby who is implanted in the fallopian tube is no less a baby than one who is implanted in the womb. Though the baby has virtually no chance of survival, and his or her mother will not be able to carry him or her beyond a certain point, there remains a difference between intentional killing and death of the child as a tragic and unpreventable circumstance. There is no choice but to remove the part of the fallopian tube that contains the child, who, sadly, will not survive, but it is essential to note that the child will not be harmed deliberately or directly. The baby's life span is virtually the same as it would have been, had his or her part of the fallopian tube remained; the difference is that the mother's life will be removed from danger. The principle of double-effect is visible here.


21 posted on 02/24/2006 2:56:06 PM PST by Im4LifeandLiberty
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To: RHINO369

"Just to be clear hormonal birth control works by supressing egg release, not by flushing out embryos. In fact pro choicers should love birth control pills because they save millions of abortions from happening."

Feel free to check up on a few of the sources listed in my second post, or simply read the insert to a pack of birth control pills. It will say that the hormones work in one of three ways: 1) To alter the viscosity of the cervical mucous, preventing sperm from reaching an egg, 2) To suppress ovulation, and 3) To thin the uterine lining, "PREVENTING THE NITTIDATION OF A FERTILIZED OVUM." This, which results frequently from the "breakthrough ovulation" common to low-dose or progesterone-only pills and patches, as well as Depo-Provera, is the abortifacient function to which I referred.


22 posted on 02/24/2006 3:22:37 PM PST by Im4LifeandLiberty
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To: sitetest

Thank you. :-)


23 posted on 02/24/2006 3:25:03 PM PST by Im4LifeandLiberty
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To: Im4LifeandLiberty; klossg

Okay, natural vs forced is the deciding factor. Then...Does that mean that birth control is abortion?


24 posted on 02/24/2006 5:53:35 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Not to mention tubal pregnancies

Would a tubal pregnancy justify an abortion...?
25 posted on 02/24/2006 5:56:08 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: NYer
Few people understand that the Church was founded on logic and "moral" (as we call it now) philosophy. Its sort of a "if this, therefore that" kind of thing. The Church arrives at it's conclusions using this logic, unlike the proponents of abortion, who have no problem with breaking the logic train if it gets in the way of what they want.

The Constitution was based on similar logic.
26 posted on 02/24/2006 6:02:59 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Joe 6-pack; Badray; smokeyb; GeneralHavoc

Thank you for posting the link to "Bork on Life"....what a wonderful piece.

Ping to Badray and SmokeyB and GeneralHavoc


27 posted on 02/24/2006 6:08:13 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: mugs99

Birth control that works after conception--most hormonal methods and the IUD often do this--is, by definition, abortion. Only birth control methods that prevent the union of sperm and egg can properly be referred to as contraception; regardless of their trade names, birth control methods that end unborn lives after they have begun are not contraception, they are abortifacients.


28 posted on 02/24/2006 7:43:48 PM PST by Im4LifeandLiberty
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To: mugs99
Then...Does that mean that birth control is abortion?

NFP is Birth Control ... but it is based on abstinence. There is no union of sperm and egg with abstinence. So, Birth Control by definition is not abortion. I know you know and agree with that. Who wouldn't? Abortion is not possible without union of egg and sperm - either is birth. Simple.

Note: NFP is not the Rhythm Method. The Rhythm method does not work, never has worked as effective birth control. But today's NFP (unlike Rhythm) is as effective as the Pill, better than the IUD and way better than condoms. And there are no side effects or any potential for forced rejection of an egg-sperm union.

You can see post #28 for definition of the potential for contraceptives to be abortificient. Some specifics on the morning after pill (MAP). The MAP is designed to be an abortificient - after the union of sperm and egg. The MAP does not always cause an abortion because:

1. the woman's egg may not have been any where near ovulation point and so the MAP may actually stop the woman from ovulating,

2. even if sexual intercourse had occurred at the time of ovulation - a sperm may not have reached it in time

3. or the egg-sperm union may be able to survive and implant in the harmful-environment the MAP creates in the woman's womb.
29 posted on 02/24/2006 9:18:36 PM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 02/24/2006 9:46:43 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Im4LifeandLiberty
"Pregnancy" was defined by the American Medical Association and the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology as beginning at the initial union of sperm and egg, i.e. fertilization, until 1965. It was after a series of interactions between the AMA, AACOG, the Population Council, and Planned Parenthood regarding birth control and the "population explosion" that the physician's groups chose to modify their definitions."

No surprise here. Leftists ALWAYS manipulate vocabulary to make it "compatible" with their desired political positions---ALWAYS.

31 posted on 02/25/2006 3:41:37 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

32 posted on 02/25/2006 4:35:25 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Duh, my wife and I had to use fertility treatmenst to ahve our daughters. But we NEVER would use IVF.


33 posted on 02/25/2006 4:39:39 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: mugs99

That's a natural process.


34 posted on 02/25/2006 6:24:36 AM PST by AliVeritas (Vlad Crusade Crew... Radicals please come to NY to protest. Will travel, have bond.)
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To: Im4LifeandLiberty

Well Said.


35 posted on 02/25/2006 6:25:25 AM PST by AliVeritas (Vlad Crusade Crew... Radicals please come to NY to protest. Will travel, have bond.)
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To: RHINO369

Repeat that to yourself a few times... that can't make sense, even to you.


36 posted on 02/25/2006 6:28:18 AM PST by AliVeritas (Vlad Crusade Crew... Radicals please come to NY to protest. Will travel, have bond.)
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To: mugs99

Is birth control natural by outside means?


37 posted on 02/25/2006 6:29:06 AM PST by AliVeritas (Vlad Crusade Crew... Radicals please come to NY to protest. Will travel, have bond.)
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To: mugs99

I've been reading your comments.

I really hope you're asking because you want the facts... not because you want to feel better about what you might have done, helped someone else do or plan on doing in the future for convenience. How about you bring some links to the discussion to view and discuss with others?


38 posted on 02/25/2006 6:32:38 AM PST by AliVeritas (Vlad Crusade Crew... Radicals please come to NY to protest. Will travel, have bond.)
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To: AliVeritas

Thanks.


39 posted on 02/25/2006 8:09:45 AM PST by Im4LifeandLiberty
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To: klossg

I'm glad to see another NFP supporter here!

"NFP is Birth Control..."

Though the Sympto-thermal, Creighton, and Billings methods of Natural Family Planning are all more effective than any form of artificial contraception, in preventing pregnancy in any given month, I wouldn't refer to them as "birth control," for one who is using NFP is not trying to "control" anything external to himself or herself. The couple using NFP does not believe it is within their power to control the miracles of conception and birth; what they do believe, and know, is that they are able to control their actions, with an eye to the consequences that follow.

Billings Ovulatory Method, over 99.5% accurate: www.woomb.org
Sympto-Thermal Method, over 99.3% accurate: www.ccli.org
Creighton Model, nearly 100% accurate: www.creightonmodel.com, www.popepaulvi.com


40 posted on 02/25/2006 8:43:22 AM PST by Im4LifeandLiberty (www.omsoul.com)
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