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How to Beat the High Cost of Gasoline. Forever!
money.cnn.com ^ | January 24, 2006 | Adam Lashinsky and Nelson D. Schwartz

Posted on 02/20/2006 8:32:49 PM PST by kellynla

(FORTUNE Magazine) - You probably don't know it, but the answer to America's gasoline addiction could be under the hood of your car. More than five million Tauruses, Explorers, Stratuses, Suburbans, and other vehicles are already equipped with engines that can run on an energy source that costs less than gasoline, produces almost none of the emissions that cause global warming, and comes from the Midwest, not the Middle East.

These lucky drivers need never pay for gasoline again--if only they could find this elusive fuel, called ethanol. Chemically, ethanol is identical to the grain alcohol you may have spiked the punch with in college. It also went into gasohol, that 1970s concoction that brings back memories of Jimmy Carter in a cardigan and outrageous subsidies from Washington. But while the chemistry is the same, the economics, technology, and politics of ethanol are profoundly different.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: energy; ethanol; gasprices
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To: mvpel

Louisiana once grew lots of sugar cane. They may still do so, and if not, maybe there is a new opportunity for that state, and it badly needs it.


61 posted on 02/21/2006 2:52:42 AM PST by billhilly (The Democrat symbol is no longer the donkey, it's a strait Jacket.)
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To: headstamp

"Read further into the article; "

But, but, but, that could destroy a thesis.


62 posted on 02/21/2006 2:57:46 AM PST by billhilly (The Democrat symbol is no longer the donkey, it's a strait Jacket.)
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To: kellynla

The most creative minds in the world are working on this, improving engines etc.


63 posted on 02/21/2006 3:04:32 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: Brad Cloven
Corn is good for cows and sweeteners. For fuel, it is a pipe dream.

Shhh!!! You're messing with the age old dream that everyone has, even the good people of this forum, of something for nothing.

64 posted on 02/21/2006 3:20:26 AM PST by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: son of caesar
A family friend had construction equipment back in the sixties when I was a kid that ran on any kind of fuel, they are called multi fuel engines, they do exist.

The army has had multi fuel vehicles for decades.I think the reason us regular folks don't get them has something to do with the EPA.It could be difficult to control emissions if you can't control what you're burning.Just a thought.

65 posted on 02/21/2006 5:19:44 AM PST by edchambers (Neocon foot-soldier of the Haliburton death squad)
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To: edchambers

Isn't Ethanol much more expensive. I know here in Illinois we got tougher EPA rules, and in the summer we gotta run a Ethanol mixed gas.

How about we solve these problems for good and build a nationwide system of breeder nuclear reactors. Have a bid, best bid, builds hundreds of identicle reactors (to keep cost low), and start driving electrical. Thats definatly they way we are going. Or we'll wait til fusion reactors come online, then those will replace all the power plants in the nation.


66 posted on 02/21/2006 5:33:44 AM PST by RHINO369
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To: RHINO369
Isn't Ethanol much more expensive.

If our legislators really wanted to see this take-off E-85 would be completely tax free for a minimum of 10 to 15 years.

67 posted on 02/21/2006 5:42:51 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: garandgal
"I highly doubt your friend is buying a new Corvette with income solely from a corn crop."

He has an 18 wheeler that rolls one load to the ethanol plant EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. 365 Truckloads is a lot of corn. Nice 'vette too.

68 posted on 02/21/2006 5:57:13 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The Prophet Muhammed, Piss Be Upon Him)
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To: VeniVidiVici
"105 octane and half the price of race gas."

If you're going to race with it, you may want to install a larger tank, as you will get lower mileage with it.

Hauling around more fuel may be a disadvantage.

69 posted on 02/21/2006 6:05:59 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: Designer

http://www.truckseries.com/cgi-script/NCTS_06/articles/000061/006186.htm
NASCAR and E-85


70 posted on 02/21/2006 6:33:25 AM PST by clodkicker
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To: GSlob

Try redoing the math.


71 posted on 02/21/2006 6:35:21 AM PST by rock58seg (It's time for Islam to actually become a religion of peace or a religion of the past.)
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To: headstamp
"Instead of coming exclusively from corn or sugar cane as it has up to now, thanks to biotech breakthroughs, the fuel can be made out of everything from prairie switchgrass and wood chips to corn husks and other agricultural waste. This biomass-derived fuel is known as cellulosic ethanol. Whatever the source..."

There's a petition in my state to have the state invest resources (money) into "biomass" research. And guess which plant, according to them, is highest in "biomass"? Of course--marijuana!

72 posted on 02/21/2006 6:39:39 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: rock58seg

See # 29


73 posted on 02/21/2006 6:43:43 AM PST by GSlob
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To: garandgal

Here is an article from the American Enterprise magazine on biofuels.
http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/issues/articleID.18976/article_detail.asp
Everyone should read this.


74 posted on 02/21/2006 6:45:20 AM PST by clodkicker
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To: GSlob

My calculations say you get 3.5 gals of 62.5 % alcohol, and 37.5 % water.


75 posted on 02/21/2006 6:46:55 AM PST by rock58seg (It's time for Islam to actually become a religion of peace or a religion of the past.)
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To: SuziQ
"I'm waiting for a hybrid mini-van! Having a plug in option would be awesome, as well."
Good for you. I hope you can find a model that will meet all your needs, and be priced withing your budget.
76 posted on 02/21/2006 6:50:09 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: GSlob

It's not funny, if you have to explain it.


77 posted on 02/21/2006 6:54:51 AM PST by rock58seg (It's time for Islam to actually become a religion of peace or a religion of the past.)
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To: Designer

Lower mileage? I could buy a GTO with 400hp and get around 18 or I can go with turbo vehicle, up the boost in a lighter car to get around 250hp-300hp (or more depending on how insane I want to go) and go with the ethanol for the higher octane. And still get 25mpg.

And if I'm going for horsepower, why would I care about mileage?


78 posted on 02/21/2006 7:11:37 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: rock58seg

3.5galx 0.625= 2.187gal, not 1.


79 posted on 02/21/2006 7:15:07 AM PST by GSlob
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To: kellynla
Start buying Everclear by the case; you'll never have to pay another penny for gasoline!

...of course, Everclear goes for over $120 a gallon. Cheers!

80 posted on 02/21/2006 7:15:17 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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