Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
I know they took the phrase "Fear of God" literally.
I hope you weren't the preachers daughter.
Dunno, but I do know that real Prophets went to mountain tops to be closer to God.
mohammad crawled into a cave to be closer to his god.
Seems pretty clear to me.
Yeah, well I was away for a bit...
LOL! I almost forgot about that. He went to the cave because he was hearing voices in his head. Arabic sources tell of what we would nowadays call 'depressive episodes' during which he often contemplated doing away with himself...(oh, how I wish!)
It was his considerably older, wealthy wife, a widow, who persuaded him he was 'hearing' the voice of the ArchAngel Gabriel...who told him (so Madmo maintained) that he should RECITE!
So what we are suffering now is the ravings of a psychotic schizophrenic who, for good measure, also suffered from epileptic episodes...
Don't get me started! It's just struck me, Madmo was Kadija's TOY BOY!
Yeah, and rather than get Kerry'd away she sent him to a cave to play...
"I suppose what it comes down to is, is islam a religion or a cult or a theocracy?
One thing's for certain, the way they are behaving, we will have no difficulty in working THAT out."
Wow, I never thought of it that way. Islam is a cult, BAN IT!!!
And kill any Muslims who resist.
take care,
Hill of Tara
Next you'll be wanting to ban scientology...
Yes that is the problem with a law banning islam. Some would use it to try to ban other religions. To ban or not to ban? It's a tough call.
"The Mormons committed a number of crimes, especially once they were in Utah. ... This is what prompted US military intervention against them, and rightly so."
And so we take a wide brush and paint over the truth. I have been very uncomfortable with this thread. I have read what happens when religious freedoms are trampled. We have seen the inquisitions (oddly enough this was the Catholic sponsored governments persecuting Christians) and the expulsions (driving the Mormons west) and the troubles. But lets get out the wide brush and paint it all over with, 'They must have deserved it for something they did or would have done if they'd had the chance.'
Saying this doesn't make it true for the Mormons, the Catholics and Protestants, or the Muslims. The idea that we can keep America and make a religion illegal is insane and unworkable. This is like saying that we can bake some bread without cooking. If you come for the Muslims or the believers in Islam, the rest of us will know who is next. And unlike the people how waited while the Nazis destroyed Germany, we won’t wait for you to get to us.
If it is impossible for America to exist and for a religion to exist together, then America has already ceased to exist. We must find a better solution.
Yes, that's true :)
If such a law is passed that bans Islam, there will have to be safeguards so it can't be applied to any other religion.
Remember what happened to Theo van Gogh when he dared expose islam's inhumane treatment of women?!?
The movie needs to be made before they get the hate crimes legislation passed which will then make it illegal to tell the TRUTH about islam or mohamed.
Thanks for the post and ping!
And kill any Muslims who resist.
and that's why no one has done it...how's it going? You're getting FReepmail.
"I was sorta hoping they would simply learn to live like the rest of do or go home..."
yea i hope so too.
You have FR-email
How's it going? I can't believe this thread had over 970 posts and I'm just now joining in! I don't know if I should start from the beginning, or start at the end and go backwards?
You can say that again. I can't believe there are people supporting a clear violation of one of the most fundamental rights this country was founded on.
Islam is NOT a religion, it is an ideology that uses religion to gain its power and "protection."
It destroys everything it encounters. No, it shouldn't be banned...
Islam must be wiped off the face of this earth. The best thing that will ever happen to Muslims, will be their emancipation from islam!
"There is no neutral ground in the universe--every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan" -- C.S. Lewis
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