..its become quite common
Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
I think he means Santeria. The cops here in New York are constantly uncovering hutches of animals used for ritual sacrifice in the Santeria rights.
No.
Carthage.
Voodoo, Santeria, Satanism, Scientology, Heavens Gate, BDSM etc are all allowed here. There isn't an 'illegal' religion. There are illegal behaviors, but no religion is against the law.
If they started killing people for working on Sabbath, YES!
You bet. The problem is that in Islam the Koran is the final word of god not open to interpretation. Judaism and Christianity went through a reformation. Became enlightened. As in, they figured out there are some 'dopey' things in the books (if taken literally), and decided to take a larger view of life.
The Mohammedan rabble has not gone through an reformation nor it can - 'cause the the dogma itself forbids it. Hence - this is a problem.
If this is indeed a fact, what evidence do you have that supports it ?
I'd be interested in seeing it.Otherwise, I'm afraid your "fact" is mostly wishful thinking.
Besides, most Germans weren't rabid Nazis either, and it didn't make a whole lot of difference.
Plus if we do ban Islam what next? Remeber what goes around comes around..
Ever met an American-born Muslim? I know plenty, they're just as pro-America as the average Chistian guy. They understand and are VERY thankful that common law rules in the US, Islamic law is nuts. American-born Muslims are the ideal of what needs to happen in the rest of the world.
This is an individual responsibility issue, not a religious one.
"I think he means Santeria. The cops here in New York are constantly uncovering hutches of animals used for ritual sacrifice in the Santeria rights.
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Santeria is also a religion that flourishes in some neighborhoods. Laws prohibiting their use of animal sacrifices have been thrown out several times in our courts.
Santeria is not illegal. If it were, you would not find all the Santeria shops in our cities.
They sacrifice animals in some of their rituals. I sacrifice animals on hunting trips. I eat them, too.
The only government solution I see is denying visas from muslim countries. That should be perfectly legal. The government could also turn a blind eye to the actions of steely citizens in response to muslim outrages. After all, they shirk certain other vital responsibilies, like border control...
..its become quite common
Islam is not a religion (which is our first mistake -- referring to it as one). It is, simply, a systematic control over every aspect of a follower's life, from how he handles his finances to how and whom (and how many times) he marries.
It is a system that would have made the KGB green with envy.
Mohammed's masterstroke was in convincing people that his own persoanl preferences and ideology were somehow divinely inspired. Otherwise, Mo is merely the Middle East version of Norm from "Cheers" ('Wouldn't it be great if...'), only with ambition.
If the government insists on sacrificing American lives at the altar of political correctness, The People will take the law into their own hands. And in the end, it won't be innocent Americans who suffer; it will be Islam.
In my life, I've closed two books half-way through reading them, walked over to the garbage can and tossed them: Mein Kampf and The koran. Basically, I consider them the same book in different languages.
But I believe we are dealing with a cultural problem, not a religious one. islam is simply a catalyst for a morally reprehensible culture that would exist with or without the "religion" of islam.
So I have to say, no - it shouldn't be outlawed. Just watched. Very carefully.
And dealt with harshly and legally when its adherents step out of line.
"Just recently there was a voodoo drama queen caught smuggling a head in her suitcase in the U.S.. She was arrested for that ... ah, carrying around the decapitated human head , a maybe you have a point.
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Indeed. She was not arrested for being a member of the voodoun religion. She was arrested for a law dealing with human skulls. Big difference.
We prosecute people for their actions, not for their beliefs.
The issue is Nazism was
a. Rather contained.
b. Political (with some 'religious' overtures)
c. Very young.
Islam is a religion. We can kvetch about it all day long, but it is a religion just like lots of other wacky ones out there.
It's either all or nothing.
And yes, since I don't have a 'formal' religion, I'm one of those chewing my nails when some folks start yelling banning or forced conversion.
The article of this thread tries to analogize Islam to the KKK, but I don't think that's a good analogy: the KKK may have claimed to be religious, but they didn't claim to be a religion — rather each KKK member was a member of another religion and they all shared a Christian (used loosely) belief.
I think your analysis is closer to the truth: Islam is as much a form of government as it is a religion. The first amendment would not protect the governmental part (just as you see Ontario prohibiting sharia while permitting Islam).
Assume some religion that had a practice of sacrificing virgins but was otherwise law-abiding; under the first amendment, they would be free to continue, as long as they gave up the illegal part.
We might be able to outlaw the non-religious parts of Islam (e.g., sharia, jihad, murderous fatwas, and the like), while observing the first amendment protection for the religious part. Those Muslims who could not abide by such restrictions would be free to leave, just as the virgin sacrificers could leave if they didn't like having to live by our laws.
Any organization that wants to rule the world is a political organization. We (defacto) outlawed the CPUSA because they advocated the overthrow of our government and we should do the same with the Muslims ... unless the so-called moderates come out from their hidey-holes and fight for their religion.
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