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Making Islam illegal -- is it the West's only choice?
Renew America ^ | 2/19/2006 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies

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To: najida
"How emotional it is---aren't conservatives supposed to be the masters of logical, unemotional debate?? "

Yea..and we are all racist male pigs as well. (/sarc)

401 posted on 02/20/2006 10:43:02 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: Dark Skies

bump


402 posted on 02/20/2006 10:44:12 AM PST by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has. The question is faith in what?)
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To: null and void
I never thought I would see so many otherwise rational people cheerfully ignore the Constitution.

I don't see people ignoring it, we just don't believe it to be a suicide pact, nor do we see Islam as only a 'religion'. It should be banned for the fact that it is also a political machine dedicated to the replacement of the constitution with the Sharia. Just because something claims to be a religion, does not make it only a religion.

Words mean things, and the disagreement is whether Islam fits wholly within the meaning of the word 'religion' in the first amendment. It does not, IMO.

403 posted on 02/20/2006 10:44:28 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: Dark Skies

Sounds like are far more sane and sensible response than Islam's response to the cartoon.


404 posted on 02/20/2006 10:45:03 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: EBH

The fact that Islam is as much a philosophy of governance as a religion is a crucial point that most of us in the West do not understand. Islam focuses as much on the temporal as on the spiritual and can not be viewed as only a belief system comparable to Christianity since the Reformation or to Judaism...the aggressive aspect of Islam will render it incompatible with the beliefs of others until it undergoes its own reformation.


405 posted on 02/20/2006 10:45:07 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: Radix
How did followers of that religion ever get the notion of calling it the "Religion of Peace?"

Al Taqqia (The Lying) a møøslimb is allowed/required to lie to a nonbeliever if it will forward the goals of islam.

406 posted on 02/20/2006 10:45:20 AM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: BenLurkin
Making Islam "illegal" is unworkable and an affront to western ideals

I disagree, as I have said before a strong augment can be made for islam being a threat to public safety and order.
There is no constitutional right to practice human sacrifice, and the same can be said for a cult that endorses murder of nonbelievers attacks and rapes of women going a Muslim area without burkas or veils ect,threatens riots when they don't get their way and demands total submission by the west to their fascist thinking, needs to be banned. Finding politicians and courts with the backbone to do so is another matter

407 posted on 02/20/2006 10:45:34 AM PST by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: MineralMan; Dark Skies
I do not agree with sharia law. Your second question is a little more complicated, though? Allowed where? Allowed in Iraq? Dubai? Here? Not here. Our laws come from our system of government, not from any religion. I don't see sharia law happening in the USA. As for Iraq or Dubai, that's not for me to decide. Those are sovereign nations.

Thank you. I agree. (BTW, The second part of my question relates to the US, and the Dar ul Harb in general.)

As sharia is a cornerstone of islam, we agree aspects of islam are already illegal and have to be restricted.

408 posted on 02/20/2006 10:49:19 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: silentreignofheroes

"Are you even in the USA?
"

Why, yes I am, thanks. So, tell me a single law in this country which did not pass through a lawmaking body. Our laws come about through the legislative process, as described in the US Constitution and the Constitutions of the various states.


409 posted on 02/20/2006 10:49:23 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

In that picture, what exactly was created with islamic technology?


410 posted on 02/20/2006 10:50:43 AM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: thoughtomator
"If Islam is a religion, so is Nazism."

And so is cannibalism.

411 posted on 02/20/2006 10:50:47 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: Wombat101

Thanks for responding....

Yes, you have many very good reasons for your feelings. And I'm very glad that you weren't one of the killed on 9/11.

Most of my experience has been here in this country, with individuals in work, hobby and social settings. And most of my experiences have been positive. In fact, a great deal of good has come into my life (and that of associates) via the ME, so yea, I do feel a tiny bit protective.

On the other hand, all of us, even those who are very 'pro' the people and some customs do see the Sharia law as the evil it is.

There is no doubt in my mind that I'm one of the first ones they would kill if they could. So I do agree is that change needs to happen. All I'm arguing against is emotion driven hate.


412 posted on 02/20/2006 10:50:53 AM PST by najida (Gluten free, Sugar Free, Low Salt, Low Fat, High Fiber = Eating grass for the rest of your life.)
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To: Dark Skies

bttt


413 posted on 02/20/2006 10:51:04 AM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: MineralMan
some factions of Islam have the goal of making Islam the religion of the world by force

And which faction of Islam does not preach that conversion by force is allowed? Which factions do not preach the jihad towards the World-wide Caliphate is not a good thing?

414 posted on 02/20/2006 10:51:48 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: USF

"As sharia is a cornerstone of islam, we agree aspects of islam are already illegal and have to be restricted."

Insofar as Muslims break US laws, they should be prosecuted. We have no law here against some things, like the wearing of burkhas, so Muslim women may wear them if they wish. Most do not.


415 posted on 02/20/2006 10:51:55 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: sakic
I don't know anybody at FR who despises what makes the United States great as much as you do, unless it's murrymom.

Tolerance under the Constitution should never extend to tolerating the expression of any belief, religious or otherwise, that has as its intention or effect the destruction of the Constitution.

416 posted on 02/20/2006 10:52:11 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Sans-Culotte
If they are "hijacking" a religion, why don't the hijack-ees kick their butts and take their religion back?

Their 'religion' is worth less to them than an American Airlines plane is worth to the passengers?

417 posted on 02/20/2006 10:52:55 AM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: null and void

"In that picture, what exactly was created with islamic technology?"

The same amount as was created with Christian technology. Technology is not really a religions thing.


418 posted on 02/20/2006 10:53:17 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Dark Skies

NO!!!


419 posted on 02/20/2006 10:55:41 AM PST by sam I am
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To: MineralMan

So, tell me a single law in this country which did not pass through a lawmaking body.

Thou shalt not commit murder...Correct me if I'm wrong , I'm just a poor country boy.


420 posted on 02/20/2006 10:56:51 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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