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To: KrisKrinkle
As I noted, using your standard our relationship is as if we shared the same forest 10000 years ago. If I think you are going to use force against me for some ridiculous reason of your own (you don’t believe in the social contract and I haven’t agreed to any of the contracts you say I agreed to so we have no commonality) then it is a matter of self defense to use force to prevent you from doing so.

You persistently fail to recognize the existence of private property. That makes any sort of discussion rather pointless. Among other things, it means that when you find yourself on someone else's land, and he does something about it, you're confused enough to claim the right to defend yourself against the property owner.

What part of there is no contract between us do you not understand?

If there's no contract, and you're on my land, then you are an aggressor and I have the right to defend my self and property. You can't claim "self defense", since you're already in process of committing a criminal act.

493 posted on 02/28/2006 3:13:00 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel
“You persistently fail to recognize the existence of private property. “

You wrote that not me. I write that I fail to recognize the validity of you making all the rules, setting terms and conditions, then declaring that I have agreed to an implicit contract you contrived for your own convenience when I deny signing by any means any kind of contract or agreement with the blanket terms you are trying to force on me, and you threaten me with violence for not meeting an obligation to which I did not commit to when all the while you refuse to acknowledge you have any obligation under the social contract because you did not agree to it in the same way that I did not agree to your unilateral ravings. You can’t have it both ways. That makes any sort of discussion rather pointless.

“Among other things, it means that when you find yourself on someone else's land, and he does something about it, you're confused enough to claim the right to defend yourself against the property owner. “

If I find myself on someone else’s land, the implication being that I did not intend to be there, and the something he does about it involves major bodily harm or lose of life to me, I do claim the right to defend myself against his acting on his delusions and I claim the right as a member of our society to explain myself to judge and jury.

498 posted on 02/28/2006 6:55:41 PM PST by KrisKrinkle
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