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To: KrisKrinkle
Your post lacks internal consistency big time.

On the contrary. If I shoot you as a trespasser, that's an act of self-defense. Contracts have nothing to do with giving me the right of self-defense. That right is inalienable, and does not proceed from any human agreement or institution.

Back when you weren't a trespasser, a contract was what made your presence licit. That's what protected you from my fiery vengeance. When you breached the contract, the protection was removed, and you became a trespasser.

Being a trespasser, my right to self defense is back in force, and I plug you full of lead not because a contract says I can, but because it's my inalienable right as a property owner.

489 posted on 02/27/2006 5:09:46 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel

“On the contrary. If I shoot you as a trespasser, that's an act of self-defense. “

As I noted, using your standard our relationship is as if we shared the same forest 10000 years ago. If I think you are going to use force against me for some ridiculous reason of your own (you don’t believe in the social contract and I haven’t agreed to any of the contracts you say I agreed to so we have no commonality) then it is a matter of self defense to use force to prevent you from doing so.

“ Contracts have nothing to do with giving me the right of self-defense. That right is inalienable, and does not proceed from any human agreement or institution. “

Which is why I can use force as noted above.

“Back when you weren't a trespasser, a contract was what made your presence licit. “

There are no contracts between us.


“That's what protected you from my fiery vengeance. “

Yeah, right.

“When you breached the contract, the protection was removed, and you became a trespasser. “

What part of there is no contract between us do you not understand?

“Being a trespasser, my right to self defense is back in force, and I plug you full of lead not because a contract says I can, but because it's my inalienable right as a property owner.”

As I noted, using your standard our relationship is as if we shared the same forest 10000 years ago. You don’t believe in the social contract and I haven’t agreed to any of the contracts you say I agreed to so we have no commonality. That being the case, how do you claim any right as a property owner of land? Who agreed that you could mark off a section of the forest that everybody else was using yesterday and call us trespassers for using it today?


491 posted on 02/27/2006 8:30:42 PM PST by KrisKrinkle
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