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To: tpaine
Why should I argue against our property rights?

Your trunk is your property. You can put anything in it you please. Your employer's parking lot is his property, and he gets to say whether your car is allowed there. He said it is, as long as there are no guns in it. If you can't get that through your head, then further discussion is fruitless.

Curiously, I notice you have conspicuously avoided claiming you can bring your gun into the building, even though a weapon carried on your person is your constitutional right. Why not? Simple: you do realize that your employer can ban personal firearms in the work place. If you pondered that, you would realize that he can ban anything he wants on his property, including his parking lot. Forcing him to do otherwise is a violation of his rights.

His rule isn't a violation of your rights, because you have no right to enter his property at all. It's a privilege granted, or not, by the property owner.

311 posted on 02/22/2006 2:16:32 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel
You have not tried once so far to logically argue why a person doesn't actually have the power to decide who does and who doesn't use his property, or how his property is used. Try now.

Why should I argue against our property rights? My car trunk is my property, and I have the power to use it to store a weapon while I'm working. -- My employer has no power to infringe on that right by using irrational reasoning about his own rights being 'violated'.. My trunk is not his property, and nothing in it can 'violate' his property.

Your trunk is your property. You can put anything in it you please.

Thank you for that 'concession' izzy.

Your employer's parking lot is his property, and he gets to say whether your car is allowed there.

Again, -- you deny the reality of local parking laws. -- Fruitless repetition.

He said it is, as long as there are no guns in it. If you can't get that through your head,

You're fruitlessly repeating yourself.

then further discussion is fruitless.

Curiously, I notice you have conspicuously avoided claiming you can bring your gun into the building, even though a weapon carried on your person is your constitutional right. Why not? Simple: you do realize that your employer can ban personal firearms in the work place. If you pondered that, you would realize that he can ban anything he wants on his property, including his parking lot.

A political compromise has been made with irrational anti-gun nuts, izzy. They can keep guns out of their buildings, but they can't ban them altogether.

Forcing him to do otherwise is a violation of his rights.

There you go again, -- a gun in a car trunk violates no ones 'right'.

His rule isn't a violation of your rights, because you have no right to enter his property at all. It's a privilege granted, or not, by the property owner.

You're fruitlessly repeating old points.

312 posted on 02/22/2006 2:57:19 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Shalom Israel

As long as I jumped back into the mudbath, you wrote: “…he can ban anything he wants on his property, including his parking lot. Forcing him to do otherwise is a violation of his rights.”

It looks like you’re saying that if he wants he can ban the life and liberty of others; that if they are on his property, the owner can kill someone at will or prevent someone from leaving. If you’re not saying that, then he can’t just ban “anything he wants” on his property. That raises the two part question: Can he ban anything at all and if so what circumstances justify doing so?

We all agree the answer to the first part is “Yes.”

Agreement by all on an answer to the second part seems to be a problem.


321 posted on 02/22/2006 7:08:20 PM PST by KrisKrinkle
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