[Ichneumon]

["Enjoy your wildly wrong conclusions, you seem to get such satisfaction out of them."]

Hey, when I encounter an NEA cheerleader here at FR, I get skeptical.

Yup, there you go with *another* one...

I know, I know, you have not indicated you support the NEA.

Wow, the little light over your head *does* turn on, however infrequently...

Ahem anyway ... I think the beam comment applies here...

I'm sure you do think that.

I think somehow your words would be far more trustworthy if you'd spend a bit of time indicating how folks become more conservative and vote Republican more often as a function of being exposed to the overwhelming evidence of evolution.

Gee, you mean like these from prior posts of mine?

It's important that conservatism does not let itself be tainted by the dishonest antics of a fringe element. This way leads to political defeat, as when all eight Republican schoolboard members in Dover Pennsylvania in a Republican district were booted out and replaced by eight Democrats during the recent election, because the Republican schoolboard members had made the mistake of catering to the AECreationists, and ended up misleading schoolchildren, putting grossly dishonest propagandistic "textbooks" into the school library, and perjuring themselves under oath in a trial.

And:

ATTENTION KARL ROVE: Creationism is a hopeless issue! Keep it out of Republican election campaigns. Wanna keep winning elections? Dump ID!

Actually, it's pretty obvious he *has* dumped it -- and had never adopted it in the first place.

In fact, I often wonder whether the "You've gotta be an AECreationist to be a 'real' conservative" folks have ever noticed that the most prominent conservative commentators have all studiously avoided ID/AECreationism entirely.

You never hear Rush Limbaugh, for example, railing against evolution. And despite the press spin on President Bush's answer to the ambush question about ID, he actually *sidestepped* it, and pointedly refused to actually advocate ID or denounce evolution. And so on, and so on. The vast majority of conservative political commentators, pundits, and politicians treat ID/AECreationism like an embarrassing hot potato, best left locked up in the attic along with crazy Aunt Harriet.

And:

"ACLU attorney Witold Walczak" This says a great deal about the case, the election, and the direction of the debate.

Yes, it says that Republicans hand victories to the ACLU when they get involved in the "ID"/creationism garbage.

And:

Attacking a field of knowledge that you barely know -- and much of what you "know" is wrong thanks to creationist misinformation -- is a waste of *everyone's* time, including your own. Stop mouthing off without knowing what in the hell you're talking about. A lot of us have better things to do than correct all the misinformation y'all spew here on a regular basis. And acting like frothing scientific illiterates (okay, maybe it's *not* an act) really does *not* help the conservative cause -- it turns off large numbers of potential Republican voters in the same way (and for the same reasons) as the wackjob/enviro/feminist/"new-age"/crystal-healing/holistic/etc. "don't-confuse-me-with-science" folks turn off potential Democrat voters.

So if you really do care about conservatism -- go find a new hobby...

And:

And I can concur with several posters' observations, in that I have often tried to bring likeminded friends and acquaintances into the conservative "fold" (or at least vote for Republicans), only to find that one of their biggest reasons for declining has been the antics of the more outspoken anti-evolution (or fundamentalism-is-the-only-way view in general) members of the conservative movement. It strongly reinforces the common stereotype of conservatives as intolerant, or non/anti-intellectual. This is especially true when the person is familiar with the science of evolution, and is thus frequently astounded by the nature of attacks on it, since those attacks often make claims the listener knows to be untrue in a way that any first-year biology student would know better than to make. This is not a good image for conservatism.

And:

And I stand by my assessment of how bad it make conservatives look when some of them grossly misrepresent science and those who practice it. It only reinforces the common stereotype of conservatives as being know-nothing, anti-science, anti-intellectual yahoos. Do you think that helps attract more people to the conservative movement? Quite the contrary. I personally know quite a few people who would otherwise be sympathetic to conservatism, but who are unwilling to associate with the movement because they see too many conservatives who do actually act that way. It's the same as how many people are driven away from liberalism by the antics of the hate-America-first crowd among the liberals.

...and so on, many times over. So yes, contrary to your ignorant presumption, I *do* "spend a bit of time indicating how folks become more conservative and vote Republican more often as a function of being exposed to the overwhelming evidence of evolution". Happy now?

But, that just is not something you are known for.

Only among people who mistake their false presumptions about me for reality, and who haven't bothered to actually pay attention to what I really write. People like you, for example.

It is a crying shame.

Yes, your ability to jump to false conclusions and be utterly convinced of their reality *is* a crying shame.

Just think of it. Together, we might end once and for all this fruitless conflict, and unite to attack the real enemy! Liberal Facist/Commie Democrats who would love to legalize all sexual dysfunction, and above change the age of consent laws.

Feel free to wake up and join me someday.

Heck ... it's just a function of imagination you know.

Yes, I know that's what you rely on. Personally I try to stick with reality, and I spend a lot of time and effort working to determine what it is.

Sort of like what one finds out during a round of golf. I forget ... are you a golfer Ichneumon??

No, I never had much interest in it.

[gobucks]

I wish you were a golfer - you'd see things differently if you were. I'm guessing you have a trauma memory on a golf course, which goads you to never risk that sensation ever again. But I testify in all sincerity: become a golfer, I mean, Golfer, and your life will never be the same. It will be better.

"...and so on, many times over. So yes, contrary to your ignorant presumption, I *do* "spend a bit of time indicating how folks become more conservative and vote Republican more often as a function of being exposed to the overwhelming evidence of evolution". Happy now? "

Ahh. Now who's looking dogmatic. Post after post which, fairly I'll grant, indicates that folks are turned off by over zealous bible thumpers. Ok ...I'll grant these folks do not accelerate the winsomness of being in the GOP.

But that is not what I asked you. I asked you for EVIDENCE that EXPOSURE to the OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE of EVOLUTION brings out the 'conservative voter' latent in some hapless Public School educated fellow.

You see, we bible types are pretty convinced of something: exposure to GOD creates GOP voters. Exposure to Darwin creates selfish survivalists who love all messages from Today's Democrats.

This is evidence by experience, and articles like the one I posted here ... where DEMOCRATS are attempting to enshrine Darwin by legal fiat ... a survivalist tactic if there ever was one.

But for the sake of arguement, I'm just hoping in that vast library of links you have, you have just 2 links to studies which show how effective the teaching of evolution is in bringing about GOP voting patterns.