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To: wintertime
The issue is really the indoctrination of children in our government schools. Evo/ID is merely one of hundreds of ways political bullies attempt to influence the next generation of voters, journalists, judges, legislators, ministers, police, movie makers, and community leaders of all kinds. What's next? Are the DEMONcrats going to legislate in law that homosexuality MUST be taught as normal, or that global warming IS a fact, or President Lincoln was gay? The solution to all this conflict is to get government OUT of the education business.

Actually, that's unlikely to solve the problem you describe. Non-government groups are just as prone to push their own agendas into schools as well. If you think that privatised schools wouldn't suffer from the same problems, you haven't thought it through. You'd just be trading one group of "indoctrinators" for another.

Even in homeschooling, you'll have the problem of agendas in textbooks, parents turning out liberal robots, etc. -- at least with public schools, kids are exposed to a lot of differing viewpoints. Imagine a future where half of the population has been homeschooled in an echo-chamber of liberal propaganda, without being exposed to other students or teachers who can make the case for other worldviews.

Public schools are not the source of the problem -- lack of parent involvement in their kids' schools is the problem.

39 posted on 02/18/2006 6:14:51 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Actually, that's unlikely to solve the problem you describe. Non-government groups are just as prone to push their own agendas into schools as well. &&&&&&&

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DUH!!! All education is non-neutral in content and consequences!

We have a human right ( an endowment from our Creator) to persuade other, even our children, in the PRIVATE sector.

Government has NO right to force indoctrination on its citizens,,,and that is exactly what government schools do! They can not be political, culturally, or religiously neutral! The evolution/ID conflict is merely one of hundreds of issues.
46 posted on 02/18/2006 6:24:17 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Ichneumon

"at least with public schools, kids are exposed to a lot of differing viewpoints. Imagine a future where half of the population has been homeschooled in an echo-chamber of liberal propaganda, without being exposed to other students or teachers who can make the case for other worldviews.

Public schools are not the source of the problem -- lack of parent involvement in their kids' schools is the problem."


Lack of Parent Involvment is the blame? So, logically, rationally, you are stating that not only is Gov't monopoly education the best way to furnish the minds of kids, but that the SOURCE of the problem is the Parents??????

Democrat, I accuse thee!!!!!!!!! (Fred, go fetch me a few bundles of firewood).

Honestly, if it weren't so familiar it would be tragic. But you can type these words w/o a shred of recognition of what you are actually stating. Why is it that I have a strong hunch you have not attended a standard run-of-the-mill school anywhere?

Your copy of Rousseau Unabridged must be tattered and stained indeed ...


50 posted on 02/18/2006 6:35:07 AM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: Ichneumon
Even in homeschooling, you'll have the problem of agendas in textbooks, parents turning out liberal robots, etc. -- at least with public schools, kids are exposed to a lot of differing viewpoints. Imagine a future where half of the population has been homeschooled in an echo-chamber of liberal propaganda, without being exposed to other students or teachers who can make the case for other worldviews.

Do you really know many, or any, homeschoolers? In our 12 years of homeschooling belonging to three differeent homeschooling groups, usually with dual memberships, I have NEVER come across the mindset you have described. While I'm sure there are liberal homeschoolers out there, I have yet to meet any. The homeschooled kids I've met are all bright and well adjusted socially. None that I have met are liberal by any stretch of the imagination and all are very aware of the social and political issues that are facing this country today. They know what they believe and why.

"...an echo-chamber of liberal propaganda," IS a public school. Kids aren't taught to think for themselves as much as parrot back what the teachers teach. It happened to me in public high scool and even public universities.

62 posted on 02/18/2006 7:35:27 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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