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Greenland Ice Swells Ocean Rise
BBC ^ | 2-16-2006 | Paul Ricon

Posted on 02/16/2006 4:54:22 PM PST by blam

Greenland ice swells ocean rise

By Paul Rincon
BBC News science reporter, St Louis

Kangerdlussuaq Glacier "drains" about 4% of the ice sheet

Greenland's glaciers are sliding towards the sea much faster than previously believed, scientists have told a conference in St Louis, US.

It was thought the entire Greenland ice sheet could melt in about 1,000 years, but the latest evidence suggests that could happen much sooner.

It implies that sea levels will rise a great deal faster as well.

Details of the study, by Nasa and University of Kansas researchers, are also reported in the journal Science.

The comprehensive analysis found that the amount of ice dumped into the Atlantic Ocean has doubled in the last five years.

If the Greenland ice sheet melted completely, it would raise global sea levels by about 7m.

Greenland's contribution to global sea level rise today is two to three times greater than it was in 1996.

Sleeping giant

"We are concerned because we know that sea levels have been able to rise much faster in the past - 10 times faster. This is a big gorilla. If sea level rise is multiplied by 10 or more, I'm not sure we can deal with that," co-author Eric Rignot, from the US space agency's (Nasa) Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, told the BBC News website.

Previous estimates suggested it would take many hundreds of years for the Greenland ice sheet to melt completely. The new data will cut this timescale, but by how much is uncertain.

It takes a long time to build and melt an ice sheet, but glaciers can react quickly to temperature changes

Dr Eric Rignot, Nasa "It depends on how fast the glaciers can go and how sustainable the acceleration can be," said Dr Rignot.

He added: "It takes a long time to build and melt an ice sheet, but glaciers can react quickly to temperature changes."

In 1996, Greenland was losing about 100 cubic km per year in mass from its ice sheet. In 2005, this had increased to about 220 cubic km. By comparison, the city of Los Angeles uses about one cubic km of water per year.

Rising surface air-temperatures seem to be behind the increases in glacier speed in the southern half of Greenland since 1996; but the northward spread of warmer temperatures may be responsible for a rapid increase in glacier speed further north after 2000.

Satellite monitoring

Over the past 20 years, the air temperature in south-east Greenland has risen by 3C.

Warmer temperatures cause more surface melt water to reach the base of the ice sheet where it meets the rock. This is thought to serve as a lubricant, easing the glaciers' march to the sea.

Helheim Glacier loses the equivalent of about half a football field a day

The study's results come from satellites that monitor glacier movement from space.

Rignot and colleague Pannir Kanagaratnam, from the University of Kansas, built up a glacier speed map from the data for 2000 and then used measurements from 1996-2005 to determine how glacier velocity had changed in the last decade.

The researchers plan to continue their monitoring of the Greenland glaciers using satellite data.

The Greenland ice sheet covers 1.7 million sq km and is up to 3km thick.

The scientists described their results at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.


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KEYWORDS: greenland; ice; ocean; rise; swells
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To: Right Wing Professor

At the present rate of rise the ocean would rise 7 meters in about 1000 years. I must be reborn to come back and watch it.

And if the geothermal heating below the ice sheets slows down it may never get there.


61 posted on 02/16/2006 7:42:44 PM PST by MilleniumBug (Pattycake, Pattycake, Wilson's the man...Bake me a yellowboy fast as you can.)
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To: blam
Looks like you've got those articles on PERMANENT REFERENCE.

They really are informative.

BTW, the other night we picked up on another interesting element in population movement. It seems that when things cool down in the North, and the area of permafrost increases, the Sa'ami and other reindeer herd followers move South into the new areas opened up to them by the bad weather.

When things warm up, the reindeer move North and so do the people. However, additions to the gene pool may be left behind.

Folks living in the warmer regions to the South do not follow the reindeer and do not leave a genetic impact on the Polar people. It's all a one-way flow.

Lest anyone get the idea that reindeer herding is not big time, at present about 1/4 of Earth's land surface is given over to reindeer herds.

62 posted on 02/16/2006 7:45:24 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: MikeinIraq

Mike, what are you trying to say?


63 posted on 02/16/2006 7:49:57 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: muawiyah
"Looks like you've got those articles on PERMANENT REFERENCE."

Yup. Those are pernamently bookmarked. I became a believer after reading Mike Baillie's book Exodus To Arthur, he's done some excellent dendrochronology work worldwide.

"Folks living in the warmer regions to the South do not follow the reindeer and do not leave a genetic impact on the Polar people. It's all a one-way flow."

Interesting. There's a lot of DNA here and there that doesn't make sense. Maybe an explanation.

64 posted on 02/16/2006 8:10:32 PM PST by blam
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To: eddie2
Glaciers are always moving, usually DOWN a mountain. Doesn't necessarily mean they're melting.

I read a few years ago where some folks found an airplane they'd been searching for since the 50's, I think it was. They were looking up near the top of a mountain, because they were sure that's where it crashed, but the plane was discovered halfway down the mountain because it had landed on a glacier, then was covered with snow, and as the glacier moved, it took the plane with it. I guess eventually with the heaving of the ice, and the lower altitude and warmer temp there, the plane was spotted near the surface of the ice.

65 posted on 02/16/2006 8:13:38 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: blam
There's a lot of DNA shared among the Polar peoples that makes sense if you have a need for living there. One of them is Scandinavian Porphyria. There are THREE different genes for this one. What it appears to do is allow folks who live in the Arctic to disgorge the excess iron they pick up in that environment. Remember, polar regions are technically "very dry", and there's a lot of iron dust around. So, what you need is some biological system that allows the body to get rid of all the extra iron.

The same condition is found in fairly high frequencies among all the polar peoples, whether Sa'ami, Eskimo or Chechi. Presumably the human custom of trading daughters to the neighboring tribe works to move such genes along lines of latitude.

The heme lost by the body results in a flow of photo-reactive iron compounds into urine. I had a relatively distant cousin who used to say "I can pee purple at Noon", and he could. It's within just the last couple of years I found out what that was about ~ it even identifies the version of the anomalous gene he had!

Type II diabetes probably has a similar relationship. I was just thinking about the news that more Type II is "diagnosed" in March and April than at any other time of the year. Let's say your system is on a fundamental time-clock that responds to the absence of fresh fruits, vegetables, grain, even grass in the Early Spring in the Arctic. One way of responding to the absence of those sources of carbohydrates would be to kick your metabolism over to having your liver produce extra sugar (for use by the brain) out of body fat.

By eating carbs in mid-Winter and early-Spring you might well be loading so much sugar in your system that you start destroying your kidneys and messing up your insulin production.

Having a genetic predisposition for this to happen in more pleasant environments further South would not make sense.

66 posted on 02/16/2006 8:27:42 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
"I was just thinking about the news that more Type II is "diagnosed" in March and April than at any other time of the year."

LOL. I posted that. It caught my eye because my doctor has told me that I need to watch my diet and exercise more because I was a 'good' candidate for type-2.

67 posted on 02/16/2006 8:49:31 PM PST by blam
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To: muawiyah
"What it appears to do is allow folks who live in the Arctic to disgorge the excess iron they pick up in that environment."

I don't understand. What allows them to disgorge the iron?

68 posted on 02/16/2006 8:51:21 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
"Greenland's glaciers are sliding towards the sea much faster than previously believed"

Since glacial ice behaves like a plastic the ice only flows in response to gravitational forces. It has to be thicker (heavier) to flow faster. That means that the ice is not disappearing.

69 posted on 02/16/2006 8:57:15 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: nicollo
Once again, he'll get his ass kicked.


And, alGore and all the other wacko "professors" in our learning institutions have been "good" students of Erlich "brainwashing" our kids and grandchildren in evolution and other cockamamie ideas!
Welcome back to the sane world!!
70 posted on 02/16/2006 9:45:32 PM PST by danamco
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To: SuziQ
Glaciers are always moving, usually DOWN a mountain. Doesn't necessarily mean they're melting.

I've been hiking in the Rockies for near on a quarter century. I have an old scar on my leg where I went through the ice on the edge of a glacier in the Indian Peaks and gashed it on the boulders underneath. A went back a couple of years ago, and the glacier I was hiking on is entirely gone. Even much further north, in Glacier National Park, there are hardly any glaciers left.

Now this is only a short period of time - 25 years - and a relatively small geographical area - the continental US. But there's absolutely no doubt the glaciers are disappearing, very fast.

71 posted on 02/17/2006 3:21:24 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: muawiyah

I read somewhere that excavations at these sites showed they lived entirely on sea mammals, not fish, which you and I would expect.


72 posted on 02/17/2006 6:01:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: blam
From "The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined:...we can observe the Taurid meteor stream every year. As mentioned above, they have a broad display rather than a well-defined peak. Although their activity spans the period 1st October to 25th November, there are two separate maxima.

I remember a program on TV several years ago that said the Great Fire of Chicago was actually caused by several meteorite hits. Apparently that summer had been dry, and the Midwest was a tinderbox. There was one small town that was wiped out from a fire begun by a meteorite hit. People from the town fled to the nearest river, but I think it was over 1000 who died that night in that one place.

73 posted on 02/17/2006 6:18:05 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
"I remember a program on TV several years ago that said the Great Fire of Chicago was actually caused by several meteorite hits. "

That sounds familiar.

74 posted on 02/17/2006 7:11:50 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
It's my understanding that it's as green there today as it was when Eric decided to settle there about 1000AD.

Your Understanding is correct. Eric the Red was trying to trick people to settle there from Iceland.

75 posted on 02/17/2006 7:31:37 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: denydenydeny
The whole article dances around the ACTUAL OBSERVED FACT that ocean levels aren't rising at all currently, in spite of the "ravages" of "global warming".

Sea levels are rising, mainly due to thermal expansion. Accurate satellite measurements of mean sea surface level confirm this. I can provide figures if you would care to see them.

76 posted on 02/17/2006 7:32:19 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Doctor Don

...start drinking more water.

Funny. But you know there's going to be a follow up report on how to stop Greenland from melting in 500 years. And I'll betcha the 2008 Dem. candidate has a very vague yet sincere solution.


77 posted on 02/17/2006 7:37:52 AM PST by Gunflint
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To: SuziQ
There was a tragic fire in Peshtigo, Wisconsin the same day, which is part of the "evidence" for the meteorites.

One problem: meteorites are not hot enough to start fires.

Chicago and Peshtigo Fires

78 posted on 02/17/2006 7:43:16 AM PST by cogitator
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To: DaveLoneRanger
** ping **

Related to what we were discussing yesterday.

Here's another take on the same story:

Greenland Ice Loss Doubles in Past Decade, Raising Sea Level Faster

79 posted on 02/17/2006 7:45:02 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

OK, the Peshtigo fire is the one we heard about. Hmmm. Considering the dry conditions, could lightning strikes, which could have occurred coincidental to the meteorites, have caused the fires? If there were conditions over the whole area conducive to lightning, which can come without rain, it would explain the multiple sources of fire especially given the dryness of the are at the time.


80 posted on 02/17/2006 7:55:05 AM PST by SuziQ
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