[VA_Gentleman]

I agree that government shouldn't force a business to go non-smoking; perhaps they could incent restaurants to go non-smoking through tax cuts.

Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is.

[tfecw]

"I agree that government shouldn't force a business to go non-smoking; perhaps they could incent restaurants to go non-smoking through tax cuts."

You are contradicting yourself. Perhaps we can let the market entice restaurants and keep the government's nose out of private affairs. As you pointed out it, it worked out well for this restaurant in Richmond

"Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is."

Start your own bar and make it non smoking. No need to go to CA or ask the VA government to trounce private business rights.

[SheLion]

I agree that government shouldn't force a business to go non-smoking; perhaps they could incent restaurants to go non-smoking through tax cuts.

Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is.

Think about this:

You'll be next on something you like that is legal...  you wear cologne?  Packing a few extra pounds?  Enjoy a drink now and then?  Tag...  you're it.  You are next.

I agree that government shouldn't force a business to go non-smoking; perhaps they could incent restaurants to go non-smoking through tax cuts.

Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is.

Think about this:

You'll be next on something you like that is legal...  you wear cologne?  Packing a few extra pounds?  Enjoy a drink now and then?  Tag...  you're it.  You are next.

[SheLion]

Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is.

CALIFORNIA: 5-year-old ban in bars leaves owners, customers fuming

5 January 2003

"I think if the government helps me one more time I'll be out of business," Newlove said as most of his customers nodded in agreement.

article here

California Smokers Use Prohibition Tactics to Get Around Ban

While cops try to sniff out the worst offenders, in many cases they're butting up against organized opposition. Bartender phone trees warn each other of impending busts, powerful fans blow away tell-tale scents of "smokin' in the boys room" and tin cans double as ashtrays in case of an unexpected visit by police.

click here

[lastfreeamerican]

"Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is."

I guess it depends on what kind of bars you go to. Unfortunately for me, I've always been partial to old darkwood basement pubs, and after going to smoke-free pubs in both New York and Ireland, I was surprised by how much worse those places smelled WITHOUT the smoke. With the smoke gone, the only remaining odor was a combination of body odor, beer swill, and piss. Slàinte!

[Hank Rearden]

It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is.

In a theoretically-free country, shouldn't there be room for people to decide they'd like to have a cigarette with or after dinner, and a purveyor making a decision to provide that experience?

Or should government idiots control every single aspect of every one of our lives?

And BTW, my next cigarette will be my first. I'm a lifelong non-smoker who believes in the value of Liberty per se.

This might be a good trend, though; our country is in dire need of a complete political enema, and this sort of fascist crap might accelerate the process along.

[Flora McDonald]

And reeking of beer is considered desirable?

[Bogey]

Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray.

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So if a bar chooses to cater to smokers, why do you have to go in?

[Axenolith]

Go to California some time. It's amazing to get home after a night at the bars and not smell like an ash tray. Unless you've been out there to experience it, you don't realize how nice it is.

Dude, hop onto the Earth, you haven't been able to smoke in a bar out here since around 1998...

BTW, being a Virginian myself, your liberty loathing nanny state attitude is quite surprising, I see the infection from CA and DC is spreading. Prognosis is not good...