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On March 6th, American males must submit US Gov paperwork to be introduced to foreign women
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Posted on 02/14/2006 6:12:25 AM PST by GermanBusiness

The Violence Against Women Act signed by President Bush on Jan. 5 contains an almost unnoticed attachment.

Subtitle D, also known as the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005 (IMBA), will become law when VAWA is enacted. The IMBA is an ostensibly noble measure with a surprising and ominous twist.

The scant attention directed toward the IMBA has been positive.

A headline in Washington State's The Daily Herald announced, "Mail-order brides gain protection" with the subtitle "The mother of a murdered immigrant hopes that pending federal legislation will keep foreign brides from abuse, neglect and slavery."

The "murdered immigrant" refers to Anastasia King, a "mail-order bride" from the former Soviet Union. In 2000, King was murdered by her husband in Washington State where the case created a sensation largely because the husband had violently assaulted a previous "mail-order bride."

Rep. Rick Larsen, D-Wash., and Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., who championed the measure for years, introduced the IMBA to Congress.

Some parts sound reasonable. For example, U.S. consulates will provide "mail-order brides" with brochures that explain their legal rights.

Other parts sound draconian. For example, the IMBA requires American men who wish to correspond with foreign women through private for-profit matchmaking agencies to first provide those businesses with their police records and other personal information to be turned over to the women.

Corresponding with a foreigner is legal. Marrying a foreigner is legal. Immigrating spouses and their husbands go through rigorous and lengthy screening before visas are issued. U.S. laws against violence protect "mail-order brides."

Now American men who wish to pursue a legal activity must release their government files to a foreign business and foreign individuals for their personal benefit.

(Note: The act's language is gender-neutral but its clear purpose is to protect foreign women from predatory American men. Application to "male-order husbands" would be incidental as such 'brides' are relatively rare.)

The disclosure requirement is detailed under the provision entitled "Obligations of International Marriage Broker With Respect to Mandatory Collection of Information."

An international broker cannot provide contact or general information on a foreign woman to an American man unless that broker first collects and discloses to the woman the following information about the man:

Every state of residence since the age of 18; Current or previous marriages as well as how and when they terminated; Information on children under 18; Any arrest or conviction related to controlled substances, alcohol or prostitution, making no distinction on arrests not leading to conviction; Any court orders, including temporary restraining orders, which are notoriously easy to procure; Any arrest or conviction for crimes ranging from "homicide" to "child neglect"; Any arrest or conviction for "similar activity in violation of Federal, State or local criminal law" without specifying what "similar" means. U.S. law will provide foreign women with extensive government information on American suitors that is not similarly offered to American women — which it shouldn't it be either.

Contacting a woman for romantic purposes — internationally or domestically — is not a crime. Those who do so are not a priori criminals who must prove themselves innocent before being allowed an e-mail exchange.

How many American men will be impacted by the IMBA?


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To: AlexW
I have no sympathy for fat bald 50+ year olds who've failed at 5 marriages, been convicted of sex crimes, and decide to seduce a foreigner into being their sex toy in their trailer. I have less still for folks like that who are hiding that fact from the person they intend to marry.

That's why I wrote. Snipping my post is disingenuous.

Further it addresses another point. Numerous American men send dated pictures, and then show up 20 years older fatter and balder than their photo.
301 posted on 02/15/2006 11:29:54 AM PST by x5452
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I have no sympathy for fat bald 50+ year olds who've failed at 5 marriages, been convicted of sex crimes, and decide to seduce a foreigner into being their sex toy in their trailer. I have less still for folks like that who are hiding that fact from the person they intend to marry.

That's why I wrote. Snipping my post is disingenuous.

Further it addresses another point. Numerous American men send dated pictures, and then show up 20 years older fatter and balder than their photo.
302 posted on 02/15/2006 11:30:11 AM PST by x5452
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To: GermanBusiness

Who said men go their for sex? (Apparently you're projecting a LOT here).


303 posted on 02/15/2006 11:31:05 AM PST by x5452
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To: GermanBusiness

You're arguing for open borders and against protecting the border it's OBVIOUS who the liberal in the woodpile is.


304 posted on 02/15/2006 11:31:36 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452

This legislation will ultimately accomplish nothing, but to further promote an ideology whose purpose is to denigrate men.

I'm not impressed with your hyperbole or your devotion to your ignorance on this subject, which you are willing to boldly profess. You are obviously not interested in the facts, just your feelings of self-righteousness.

The feminists thank you for your support.


305 posted on 02/15/2006 11:32:22 AM PST by Search4Truth (The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.)
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To: x5452

[The problem is numerous women being misled into coming to America and living with dangerous criminals.]

You still haven't answered on how this cannot be handled by the agencies doing a one-time check on their client (or once every few months if you want to get feminazi on us).

You still haven't answered on the snail mail issue of a form going to each woman every time a man specifically wants her contact info that she WANTS given out as much as possible.

We've covered the protection of the women via the agency doing a check on the man.

But Cantwell's useless law has the agency accepting a bullshick form from the man who can lie if he wants to and then this form has to be sent around the world everytime a man wants to make contact.

Cantwell wants to put the agencies out of business with paperwork, not protect the women from criminals.

Cantwell wants to put the agencies entirely out of business because she doesn't want older men dating younger women and she doesn't want men to date outside of the USA as far as that can be regulated on the Internet.

You have to understand that this isn't about protecting anyone from criminals. It is about Cantwell's determination to destroy businesses with paperwork overloads...because she hates everything they stand for.

Let's be honest here.


306 posted on 02/15/2006 11:33:07 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: x5452
That is less than .001% percent of the men that will be hurt by this law.

Now, what's your excuse for screw over the lives of the other 99.999% of the men in this country. Or do you just like to make men suffer for your sexist bigotry.

307 posted on 02/15/2006 11:33:51 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: GermanBusiness

They are addicted to their feelings of self righteousness. So much so that they are willing to forfeit basic freedoms in order to get their fix.

While ignorance abounds in our country among men, few are so devoted to it as some on this thread.


308 posted on 02/15/2006 11:38:24 AM PST by Search4Truth (The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.)
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To: GermanBusiness

American men owe you a debt of gratitude, GB; for championing this fight. I suppose, once a soldier, always a soldier.

Thanks for your service, then and now.


309 posted on 02/15/2006 11:42:20 AM PST by Search4Truth (The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.)
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To: GermanBusiness
American feminists are jealous of women like this...so they make up slanders about prostitution which are generally not true (this woman is a strict Orthodox who wouldn't sleep with a man in the first 10 dates).

 

I'm taking the day off before and after date #11.

 

310 posted on 02/15/2006 11:44:04 AM PST by Fintan (Shut up. You're rude and silly. And ugly.)
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To: x5452

[I'd like to know on what basis you're calling me 'little'.]

You're little because you won't face up to the fact that this is not a question of protecting any foreign women. I have asked you a dozen times to tell me your opinion on why women should get useless forms sent to them when the agency has already looked at the forms themselves. You won't discuss things like an adult.

You, like a child or a liberal, just continually harp on your BS about protecting people as if I am supposed to believe that some jackass cares more about protecting nice Russian women than I do.

You are making me look like I care less about the welfare of Russian women than you do. That is such incredible childishness.

Get it through your head that we are talking about useless government bureaucracy in the form of agencies having to send useless forms to women strangers who could be men...giving personal information about what states he has lived in but not giving the "woman" any info about his age, height, weight, occupation or any other reason to make the form anything more than an annoyance for the women to receive.

If a woman looks at a useless document that says nothing and then says "Yes I would like to meet him!" I would actually be surprised. But this is what our nanny state government has just signed into law with 100% of the Senate voting yes because they were cowards (the name of the overriding bill was "Violence Against Women Act").

It sounds like you don't understand what we are talking about here because you have never once even acknowledged the part about the form going around the world and being confirmed that the woman received it before the contact info can be released for the man to say "Hi. I am Jim and I am 35 and I work in the finance industry and I am 6'2", etc" The law doesn't allow the form to arrive with his greeting at the same time mind you! The form has to be confirmed by the woman before he can say hello.


311 posted on 02/15/2006 11:44:13 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: Search4Truth

[They are addicted to their feelings of self righteousness. So much so that they are willing to forfeit basic freedoms in order to get their fix.]

I am still trying to figure out if this guy is some kind of "Christian" FReeper. I have seen him before so he isn't a troll sent by Senator Cantwell.

Note how he doesn't understand that much of the socalled marriage broker industry actually is American men meeting women and ending up in only physical relationships = sex when the man realizes that he doesn't want to marry her but he really would like to stick around for that "10th date".

This is what the feminazis want to stop. This is what self-righteous "Christians" want to stop...no matter how much the Mommy state femigovernment has to get involved in taking away our rights.

It is the horrifying idea that white American males might actually have decent sex lives and decent love lives.


312 posted on 02/15/2006 11:51:13 AM PST by GermanBusiness (Buy from Danish Food Dot Net)
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To: x5452

"Snipping my post is disingenuous. "

Not at all...Your still degrading anyone that is fat, bald, and\or over 50. You could replace that with something like "stupid jerks"
A 30 year old James Bond could be just as much of a jerk, and just as dangerous.

I have never met a woman that did not know my exact age and have a recent photo of me.
Age and looks is just an attitude.


313 posted on 02/15/2006 11:51:46 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: Search4Truth

My wife is Russian i met numerous folks who've used agencies, I've walked past dozens of agencies in Russia and seen the sorts of folk scruffling in and out of them, and I know several Russian women who've used them.

I have a ton of experience on this topic and on the visa process.


314 posted on 02/15/2006 11:53:55 AM PST by x5452
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To: AlexW

No I'm denigrating anyone who is fat, bald, married multiple times, and a sex criminal.

It's clear you're just taking it badly because you're apparently fat bald and old.

Further I got to see exactly what sort of thing happens with these guys.

My wife's next door neighbor while she was living in Russia got a photo from a guy who sent a nice picture and said he was 32. Come to find out he's really 52, and looks signifigantly different now than he did at 32.

Russian 18 year olds aren't looking for grandpa, and it's dishonest to allow businesses to transact business under false pretenses with these women.


315 posted on 02/15/2006 11:56:38 AM PST by x5452
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To: GermanBusiness; GarySpFc

Most agencies are NOT trying to find sexual hookups, go back to adult friend finder dot com.


316 posted on 02/15/2006 11:58:05 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452; Dashing Dasher
I have no sympathy for fat bald 50+ year olds who've failed at 5 marriages, been convicted of sex crimes, and decide to seduce a foreigner into being their sex toy in their trailer. I have less still for folks like that who are hiding that fact from the person they intend to marry.

LOL. You forgot to mention bad breath. The last person I knew who traveled to Russia to meet women had very unfortunate breath. He got married over there (his first date in years) and it was wonderful for about three years. She brought her family over and then she flew the coop.

OTOH there are millions of men who have met and married foreign brides and it has worked out very well.

It is amazing, however, the FR men who feel it is okay to hide their nefarious past from their brides.

317 posted on 02/15/2006 11:58:59 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: GermanBusiness

You're against protecting the borders from an influx of ilegals.

If anyone is a troll from DU it's you.


318 posted on 02/15/2006 11:59:30 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452

Your posts reveal only a man that is trying to prove something to the world; that he is more righteous than the rest. And willing to do so at the expense of the freedoms of others.


319 posted on 02/15/2006 12:00:07 PM PST by Search4Truth (The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.)
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To: ladyjane

(Interestingly 3 years is what it takes to become a US citizen if you enter on a K-1 visa)


320 posted on 02/15/2006 12:00:17 PM PST by x5452
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