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LIVE THREAD: SJC hearing on the NSA surveilance program - C-span 1; 9:30 am EST

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:08:53 AM PST by ken5050

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To: Howlin

Here it comes. Cornyn bringing up Espionage Laws. Rocky the Squirrel is starting to twitch.

Gonzalez says an investigation has commenced.

Gonzalez won't go into possible laws that have been violated. Will prosecute if finding are that they have.

Cornyn mentions NY Slimes wanting to know if there is any protection in the law for the Slimes doing that?

Gonzalez says the Slimes has their own lawyers and demures from opining and taking away a possible Slimes defense. LOL!

Cornyn points out the Slimes sat on the info for a year before publishing it.


1,381 posted on 02/06/2006 11:29:01 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party. aka Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Did I read somewhere or was I having a nightmare that they were going to call Jimmah Carter to testify?


1,382 posted on 02/06/2006 11:29:08 AM PST by Carolinamom (I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. ---Ronald Reagan)
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To: toomanygrasshoppers

He's just letting the NYT know that they are coming after them.


1,383 posted on 02/06/2006 11:29:16 AM PST by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: StarFan

Yeppers ... got to leave that one there. :D


1,384 posted on 02/06/2006 11:29:34 AM PST by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: Peach

What a smooth line of questioning. He knows full well Gonzalez can't answer the question but is sending a signal loud and clear.


1,385 posted on 02/06/2006 11:29:51 AM PST by StarFan
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To: Peach

Durbin: You have referred to FISA as a useful tool.
It's like referring to speed limits as useful tools in a motoring tool.

Fisa isn't there as a tool, but a limitation on power. Your use of that phrase captures the attitude of the admin. We'll use it when we want and ignore it when we want.


1,386 posted on 02/06/2006 11:30:01 AM PST by Peach (Islam is an army disguised as a religion (Freeper Hoosier-Daddy))
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To: Bahbah

his hate for Republicans blinds him to the harm he does himself and his country...


1,387 posted on 02/06/2006 11:30:10 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: prairiebreeze

Ain't we got fun?


1,388 posted on 02/06/2006 11:30:28 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

LOL. We argue about politics pretty bitterly so we just agree to avoid the issue altogether these days.


1,389 posted on 02/06/2006 11:30:32 AM PST by Peach (Islam is an army disguised as a religion (Freeper Hoosier-Daddy))
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To: Peach

DICK....I loathe him


1,390 posted on 02/06/2006 11:30:40 AM PST by mystery-ak (Army Wife.....toughest job in the military)
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To: Peach

Turdbin is a useful tool. Of dictators world wide.


1,391 posted on 02/06/2006 11:31:35 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party. aka Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: Peach
Cornyn is a very intelligent guy who shoots from the hip without being flamboyant about it. He is worth the watch.
1,392 posted on 02/06/2006 11:31:55 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Peach

FISA is a usefool tool. Durbin is a useless tool.


1,393 posted on 02/06/2006 11:31:59 AM PST by frankjr
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To: prairiebreeze

Durbin has CHARTS


1,394 posted on 02/06/2006 11:32:00 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: mystery-ak

Little Dick Durbin up. (Sorry for the visual.)


1,395 posted on 02/06/2006 11:32:07 AM PST by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: prairiebreeze

Oh, I could hurt somebody. They make me sick.


1,396 posted on 02/06/2006 11:32:24 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Howlin

Back to Rush..can't listen to turbin durbin. LOL


1,397 posted on 02/06/2006 11:32:32 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: Carolinamom
Did I read somewhere or was I having a nightmare that they were going to call Jimmah Carter to testify?

Arlen was asked on all the Sunday yakfests yesterday if he would call Mr. Peanut to testify, and he said he has said yes or no yet, but he's considering it.

The media wants him out there because that would give the impression this isn't about impeaching Bush. I want him out there so that all this Democrat hoo-hah can be laid to rest as the bushwa it truly is.

1,398 posted on 02/06/2006 11:33:00 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: maggief

Cornyn has presidential hair. LOL

Durbin: You said today that the president is claiming his power for domestic spying because of the president's inherent powers and constitutional authority.

You knew when you answered my question that this admin. was going to find a way around FISA law so how can your response be valid today in light of what we now know.

Gonzales: It's absolutely valid. We don't ignore FISA. The president has authorized activities with what FISA contemplates. Putting aside the question of use of force, while it's a tough legal question whether Congress has authority to limit that authority or elec. surveillance of the enemy, it's not a question we even need to get to.


1,399 posted on 02/06/2006 11:33:11 AM PST by Peach (Islam is an army disguised as a religion (Freeper Hoosier-Daddy))
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If the evidence is there we WILL prosecute (NYT and leakers). That sounds like no holding back, if the facts admit for a prosecution.

The article is published - not much investigation required as to wehther its contents violate 18 USC 798.

§ 798. Disclosure of classified information

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information-- ...

(3) concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; ...

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b) As used in subsection (a) of this section--
The term "classified information" means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution; ...
The term "communication intelligence" means all procedures and methods used in the interception of communications and the obtaining of information from such communications by other than the intended recipients; ...

(d)
(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States irrespective of any provision of State law--
(A) any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, as the result of such violation; and
(B) any of the person's property used, or intended to be used, in any manner or part, to commit, or to facilitate the commission of, such violation.
(2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1).

If the NYT is in violation, bye-bye printing presses.
1,400 posted on 02/06/2006 11:33:31 AM PST by Cboldt
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