Posted on 02/05/2006 12:55:28 PM PST by naturalman1975
STANDARD Islamic prayers in mosques may be illegal under new anti-terror laws, international law specialist Ben Saul told a conference in Melbourne.
Dr Saul said yesterday it could be against the law to pray in Australian mosques for victory for the mujahideen in Iraq.
The conference also discussed the legality of showing training videos recruiting Muslims to fight in Chechnya.
The sedition laws applied only where Australia was at war with a country or group so training videos for al-Qaeda, the Taliban or Iraq would be illegal. But if the Australian Government had proscribed some Chechen organisations, recruiting for them would be illegal.
Dr Saul, of the University of NSW, said the new sedition law criminalised some things said in a religious context, such as the standard prayer "may God grant victory to the mujahideen in Iraq".
"The legislation is very ambiguous. You don't necessarily have to encourage someone to fight Australian troops even contributing blankets to mujahideen could be criminal."
Dr Saul told The Age the anti-terrorism laws were an excessive and unjustified over-reaction to the threat Australia faced, and some provisions breached human rights under international law.
"The risk to the US and UK is undoubtedly far greater than the risk to Australia, but we've adopted far more invasive orders. And unlike those countries, we don't have the protection of a bill of rights," he said. People could be subjected to house detention for the 10 years the legislation lasts without ever being charged.
"If one person in a mosque says something outrageous in support of terrorism, these laws allow the government to close down the entire mosque an extremely disproportionate reaction which collectively punishes every worshipper," Dr Saul said.
He said there was confusion and uncertainty among Muslims about the new laws. Muslim leaders did not know what they could say until they saw how the laws were used.
Precise information about the terrorist threat to Australia had not been made public, so justification for the laws was hard to judge, Dr Saul said.
"Australians are deprived of information and asked to trust political judgements when we know they have been manipulated in the past," he said.
About 70 Muslim leaders and others attended the Darebin conference, which was funded by the Federal Government's Living in Harmony program.
Of course! And I know that many of us here would be on the list, right after all the others. These threads are, are....well, They are everything we try to say we aren't. Damn, just effin' damn.
Yup. The "kill all muslims" types because "they're all the same" are bound to show up.
I find myself struggling to defind what has added a great deal of joy and purpose to my life (my friends, my art, my interests)....Most of the 'them' that I know are pretty average people.
Kinda like most 'Christian' types out there.
I know what it's like to be forced to pray, to be told the words to say.... I know what it's like to have God taken from you.
I know what it's like to have a religion in the name of someone else's twisted belief forced on you. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Well put. No kidding about that!
"Most of the 'them' that I know are pretty average people."
Yup.
Excellent post.
I consider myself to be fairly well-informed as far as history goes. And I recently have taken an interest in the history of Spain.
However...
I did not know that we did what you describe in Japan post WWII.
And, (I'm ashamed to admit) that the Spanish Inquisition as all about reconquista i.e. taking back their country from muzzies.
I guess, it, like McCarthy, has gotten a bad name from the liberals writing history. Expunging a death cult from a society is bound to be difficult, and to require extraordinary means.
Nice post.
BRAVO; great history lesson for those who claim to "know" history, but don't! :-)
Read the thread again, to learn the real FACTS; which others have stated in refutation, to the pack of lies you just swallowed blindly.
Coming from you, the thanks are doubly appreciated.
I really am even handed...when you post something good, I tell you and thank you. OTOH, as you know, when junk is posted, I also let you know about it. LOL
Lol, gawd you guys must've graduated with honors from Nitwit U. Listen to me, DUmmies: the reconquest, pilgrimage, crusade, and repopulation of the peninsula took almost 800 years. There was an unending series of appalling islamic atrocities committed against innocent people there during that time, just as there has been all throughout islamic history. And people there were fed up with it. It's not surprising that it was perhaps the single most xenophobic moment in the history of the Spanish people. Isabella, in particular, believed that society could not tolerate more than one faith, a belief she came to while living her life under the constant threat of the islamic sword.
So... the end of the reconquista was in sight... only Grenada held out, and taking it would require another decade of fighting. Unlike with you dimwits, image and credibility was extremely important to the new king and queen and they were not about to issue edicts they could not enforce -- and while Grenada remained in muslim hands, there was simply no way that wouldn't be laughable on its face that the realm's muslims could be required by law to convert to Catholicism. And as one of you so dimwittedly noted, the Treaty of Granada (which sped the surrender) guaranteed muslims another seven years of protection. That protection would've lasted even longer if muslims hadn't continued in their characteristic bloody slaughters.
Resurgent anti-semitism was widespread in Europe, and Spain was no exception. Indeed there had been several inquistions and expulsions in Europe in the centuries leading up to the Spanish Inquistion. But here we are talking about the Inquistion of all inquisitions, its effects, its root causes, the reasons for its longevity, and its brutality (both real, and imagined as in the anti-Catholic bigotry of the black legend). Spain had the largest population of Jews in Europe. So it is rather natural, given that the muj were off limits, that they would suffer the wrath of Spain's pent up xenophobia first, and the first attentions of the Inquistion.
But, oh, what a glorious day when the Inquistion turned its attention to its principal target, the bloody muj of the Iberian peninsula. And I still think it's the best way to deal with the bloody, Satanic, moonbat filth.
Listen, you guys like to call people names when you're losing an argument. But name calling is not what FR is about. You want to continue this? Let's take it to Freepmail. I take that back: Let's see if you're even adult enough to take it to Freepmail.
Hi, 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten, thanks! And pay no attention to the three stooges; they're well-known hereabouts as unabashed supporters and apologists for the moonbat muj. You've been around for a long time, so I suspect you already know this. But just in case... Cheers!
LOL. I sure didn't, though I should've known better!
But since you are the baiting, name calling, and flaming, because you've been caught of a web of your own error filled posts, I guess that hiding your problems with factual history, would suit you better. Sorry, that's not going to happen.
What's the matter, making a fool of yourself, with bad posts, isn't good enough; now you have to lie too?
I now insist that you find and CCP, to this thread, every single "pro-IslamoNazi" post I have made to FR. Do it ( though that's an impossible task, since I have never made such a post ), or apologize on this thread. Doing neither is NOT an option!
Wouldn't it be much easier if muslims were not allowed to enter our Western countries in the first place?
What's so difficult about that? It could avoids lots and lots of problems if muslims are not allowed to migrate to our Western countries, rather than first letting them in and then deal with a myriad of problems that their culture and religion creates.
"No...the problem is with the Muslims. They don't belong among us."
Bullseye!
See also my post above.
"Is it still the "best approach?""
Yes, of course it is.
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