IBM Sends Open Source Architecture Tools to Russia

ebizQ ^ | 02/03/2006 | ebizQ

[Golden Eagle]

IBM today announced free software and educational resources to help developers in Russia build and deploy innovative applications based on open standards and open source.

Tapping into the booming software development market in Russia, IBM is giving software developers, architects and students free access to software and hundreds of new tools and technical and educational resources that will enable them to more easily build open standards-based applications.

With a few clicks of a mouse, developers can download free versions of IBM middleware, IBM WebSphere Application Server Community Edition and IBM DB2 Universal Database Express-C, as well as access trial code, tutorials, technical forums, emerging technologies and blogs where IBM technical experts share their tips and expertise.

[Golden Eagle]

This of course builds a quantity of people who like and use those tools and get hired by companies who will make use of those tools and skilled people, to buy the products and services of a US company, which results in income to said US company, and taxes paid on that income and dividends paid to many a US shareholder (who in turn pay taxes on those dividends -sigh), and pension funds et al.

Sounds nice, but how does ANY of that happen when you give your product away for free? Perpetually?

[AFreeBird]

Open source is simply a tool that is being used to standardize the world on a U.N. based overall system.

Careful; you're in danger of putting your processor into an infinity loop.

[dljordan]

The government MADE them stop.

[Golden Eagle]

I thought IBM was bought by the Chinese last year. Lenovo or something?

The IBM PC business was. They sell them at Office Depot with the "IBM" label still on there, when it should say "PRC".

[AFreeBird]

Sounds nice, but how does ANY of that happen when you give your product away for free? Perpetually?

Geez-O-Pete!

Are you really that frickin dense or do you just play that way on the net?

So IBM is giving away multi-million dollar mainframes and serivce contracts?! Even the free (as in beer) DB2 will only get you so much and then you'll have to pony up to scale it.

And I guess having a pool of talent out their that knows your software won't help the companies that BUY the hardware that that software runs on either?

What a putz.

[Golden Eagle]

If someone wants to write their own code they can do with it what they please

You've already made that clear. What you haven't answered, ever, is whether IBM should have been able to sell technology to Russia during the 90's, or at any time, for that matter. I mean you do keep saying over and over they should be able to do with it whatever they want. Anyone should be able to help Iran build supercomputers for their nuclear program, if they want then, right?

[sitetest]

Dear Golden Eagle,

Gee whiz, GE, can't you take a hint? I'm extremely uninterested in conversing with you. I know that FR doesn't have an "ignore" button, but if it did, you'd be among the four or five posters on FR on whom I'd use it.

Now run along, delete me from your ping list, and please try not to post to me again,

Thank you very much!


sitetest

[Golden Eagle]

Careful; you're in danger of putting your processor into an infinity loop.

Hardly. U.N. needs a standardized system. Microsoft practically provided that, yet they've chosen open source instead, on philosophy, obviously. And its working for Russia, China, Cuba, socialists everywhere, they're getting it for free, are they not? All they have to do is slap their name on it.

[Golden Eagle]

Sure, go enjoy your classical music list, while we talk serious issues.

Be sure and leave me off.

Thanks!

[1rudeboy]

Anyone should be able to help Iran build supercomputers for their nuclear program, if they want then, right?

Those things run on open source software? Wow, I need to brush-up.

[Golden Eagle]

Even the free (as in beer) DB2 will only get you so much and then you'll have to pony up to scale it.

This is just the first announcement, IBM is on a very slippery slope with their stock down ~20% the last year. They are most certainly regretting the scorched earth attack they launched a couple years ago, which has ultimately helped Sun and Apple more than them. All of this has weakened the US technology industry though, and a deal like this could mean hundreds of not thousands of new servers in Russia running software we've given them for free. IBM should be able to get some real solid benchmarks on what is the ABSOLUTE max load on one of those new DB2 systems. Don't laugh, it's not funny.

[sitetest]

Dear Golden Eagle,

"Sure, go enjoy your classical music list, while we talk serious issues."

LOL!! You think that Microcr@p products are as important as classical music?? * chuckle *

I doubt many folks will remember MS Windows XP or Vista in 100 years. Or Linux or Unix or SCO or whatever.

I'm reasonably sure that people will still be listening to JS Bach.

In any event, when serious folks ping me, I respond to the topic at hand. ;-)

"Be sure and leave me off."

Unlike you, I haven't presumed to ping anyone who hadn't asked me first to ping them.

"Thanks!"

You're welcome!


sitetest

[Golden Eagle]

I'm reasonably sure that people will still be listening to JS Bach.

Maybe, but what will it really matter?

[sitetest]

Dear Golden Eagle,

"Maybe, but what will it really matter?"

Written like a true phillistine. ;-)


sitetest

[N3WBI3]

Im going to have to ask you not to use my Ping list if people on it object to you sending them a PING..

[Golden Eagle]

Goodness, look how quickly you disintegrated into name calling. Somehow I knew.

[Golden Eagle]

I thought it was open sourced? Why can't I take it, change it if I want, rename it, release it to whoever I want, even resell it if I want, without even giving you a thanks?

[N3WBI3]

I thought it was open sourced

Open source respects rights, and I dont have the right to let you spam a bunch of freepers. If you would like to ping my list once asking who would like to be on your anti-oss list that would be fine but what you are doing is the same as a rabid anti-catholic coming on to the forum and hijacking the catholic ping list to troll. Its unethical, rude, and should bore anyone out of high school.

Why can't I take it, change it if I want

Feel free, but you cant use it to *PING* people who dont want to hear from you!

[Golden Eagle]

Sure, I already told sitetest ok, but you can't ignore the danger of open source in this simple example. Someone may get something you made, and use it in a way you don't like, and there not be anything you can really do about it. Unfortunately, you can't trust everyone blindly, as you seem compelled to do.