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| Feb 1, 2006
Posted on 02/01/2006 3:42:08 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
Comparing the 9mm Luger to the old .38 Colt cartidge is not really fair. The 9mm produces over twice the energy.
Using best bullets the difference between the 9mm and .45 is not nearly as great as everyone seems to know. Still the .45 is a little better and no reason not to use the best.
On the other hand, the large mag capacity is also an advantage of the 9.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:02:46 PM PST
by
yarddog
To: John Jorsett
One reason the so called stopping power of the 9 is not evident is because they use ball ammunition and it does not expand and give take advantage of the velocity. Another reason is the 9 just sucks. Give me a .45 any day, or a .44 special. I love the .44 special but of course you can only get it in a wheel gun but still it is a good round for stopping something in it's tracks. Long live the 1911 and all it's clones!
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:04:36 PM PST
by
calex59
(seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
To: John Jorsett
I'm not quite sure how many long guns I own.
But I only own one pistol, a 1911 .45. For me, nothing else is needed.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:04:36 PM PST
by
labette
(In the beginning God created....)
To: bikepacker67
Technically, the hitting power of a bullet is determined by the bullet weight and velocity, and is measured in joules. Ehhh..... what happened to Foot-Pounds?
New tactic - you want to stop the enemy fast - hit him in the joules.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:05:25 PM PST
by
Fido969
("Everybody out of the pool!")
To: John Jorsett
A couple of notes - first, that the Geneva Convention requirements for full metal jackets might be met by certain law enforcement ammunition that is both fully jacketed AND hollow-pointed. Interesting stuff. Second, that the real effectiveness of the .45 (or any other bullet) is measured by how much energy it leaves in the target and how much shock and tissue displacement result from this. A monster bullet that overpenetrates has awesome numbers but less than awesome effectiveness. Third, that the 10mm (and another popular caliber, the .357 SiG) suffer more from this latter defect than the .45 because they are faster; slow, wide, and heavy seems optimal in stopping power at short ranges and where the target is not wearing body armor. Personally I find the 10mm just a bit heavy on the recoil side for CQB but then I'm not a very big guy.
Every hunter knows perfectly well that one tunes one's bullet and charge to fit the game one is after. The self defense community sometimes seems to forget this in reaching for numbers that do not always translate to superior performance. I like the .45 because it's optimized for the human body - that sounds awful, but if it's him or me I want something tuned to him.
To: Bender2
I liked the grease gun too, I could put 15 rounds on a bull at 15 yards firing full auto(all right one or two rounds were out but so what!).
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:06:45 PM PST
by
calex59
(seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
To: John Jorsett
I remember many chopper pilots with our Cav. unit in Nam would choose the .45 over the .38 though it was more bulky under their chicken vests. We never doubted it could "stop an oncoming freight train".
To: Billthedrill
A lesser known but quite capable .45 handgun. The Mauser M2 is built by SIG and designed with concealed carry in mind.
To: dinok
I resent that...
I carried{and still do} Carry a 92FS Berreta. I found the gun to be reliable, sturdy and very manly.
A gun is a tool, it depends on who is using it.
I have a Colt Commander. It is a good pistol. But I feel better with 15 rounds than 8.
And it is not a girly pistol.so there..........
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:12:55 PM PST
by
Yorlik803
( A moose once bit my sister.Mind you, an moose bite can be pretty nasty)
To: dinok
I can imagine the recoil from a smaller ligher .45 for women.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:16:15 PM PST
by
chainsaw
( ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - H. Clinton))
To: bikepacker67
It's that darn metric system again.
Joule (energy or work) = applied force of one Newton moving one meter
Newtons (force) = force required to accelerate 1 kilogram one meter
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As far as I'm concerned when you need to know what it takes to put a six foot man six feet under, foot-pounds just seems to make a lot more sense.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:17:18 PM PST
by
Ragnorak
To: John Jorsett
This debate has been on-going since the M9 replaced the M1911A.
To: Jack Black
I need one. "Need," not "want."
To: Doohickey
I just got my first 1911A1 back in December.
However, this is still my favorite .45!
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:23:34 PM PST
by
TC Rider
(The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
To: John Jorsett
When size matters.
Some reach for their 50BMG.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:27:49 PM PST
by
umgud
(uncompassionate conservative)
To: dinok
The 9mm is a metrosexual pistol. The .45 is a man's gun. When I qualified on the .45 in the sixties it was a foregone conclusion that it was the only sidearm that would not only kill someone but knock them down too. Even if you hit them in the finger.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:28:38 PM PST
by
groanup
(Shred for Ian)
To: John Jorsett
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:29:33 PM PST
by
dangerdoc
(dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
To: TC Rider
Hoping to add a Colt 1991A1 to my collection in the near future.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:29:43 PM PST
by
manglor
To: Scribbz; dinok
Smooth as silk!
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:30:11 PM PST
by
Uri’el-2012
(Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
To: John Jorsett
Isn't the Glock 37 in .45GAP?
The military would have to transition to a completely new cartridge that isn't compatible with the 1911s & MK23s already in service.
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posted on
02/01/2006 4:31:42 PM PST
by
manglor
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