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To: John Jorsett
A couple of notes - first, that the Geneva Convention requirements for full metal jackets might be met by certain law enforcement ammunition that is both fully jacketed AND hollow-pointed. Interesting stuff. Second, that the real effectiveness of the .45 (or any other bullet) is measured by how much energy it leaves in the target and how much shock and tissue displacement result from this. A monster bullet that overpenetrates has awesome numbers but less than awesome effectiveness. Third, that the 10mm (and another popular caliber, the .357 SiG) suffer more from this latter defect than the .45 because they are faster; slow, wide, and heavy seems optimal in stopping power at short ranges and where the target is not wearing body armor. Personally I find the 10mm just a bit heavy on the recoil side for CQB but then I'm not a very big guy.

Every hunter knows perfectly well that one tunes one's bullet and charge to fit the game one is after. The self defense community sometimes seems to forget this in reaching for numbers that do not always translate to superior performance. I like the .45 because it's optimized for the human body - that sounds awful, but if it's him or me I want something tuned to him.

25 posted on 02/01/2006 4:05:50 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

A lesser known but quite capable .45 handgun. The Mauser M2 is built by SIG and designed with concealed carry in mind.

28 posted on 02/01/2006 4:11:40 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Billthedrill

The Hatcher Report on handgun stopping power, written after the Phillipine conflict at the turn of the last century, concluded that, for sub-sonic rounds, only caliber had any effect on stopping power, i.e., knocking down a man with only one shot. The Report was written after soldiers equipped with .38s kept having the crazy Phillipine rebels keep fighting. That led to the creation and issuance of the 1911 .45. I haven't seen anything since that suggests any different. Incidentally, the Report also found that hollow points made no difference, again with a sub-sonic round. Jeff Cooper took all this info to heart, and recommends wad-cutters for the accuracy and ease of handling. Military ball ammo, I understand, made the 1911 more difficult to shoot than it needed to be. When the Army studied the gun and then started issuing Baretta 9 mms., it should instead have changed the 1911 load and bullet.


44 posted on 02/01/2006 4:34:32 PM PST by MoralSense
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