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To: SirLinksalot

I must confess his reasoning is appealing. I hope rather than savage his suggestion we consider it seriously. We do not need to appear to be rejecting a democratically elected government, do we?


17 posted on 02/01/2006 10:18:02 AM PST by Publius Maximus (Compassionate Conservatism: Profligate Liberal Spending With A Conservative Rhetorical Twist)
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To: Publius Maximus

We can fund Al Qaeda, too, since it is very popular in many Arab countries, more so than the regimes that rule them.


22 posted on 02/01/2006 10:18:49 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: Publius Maximus

There's a slight ethical problem, wouldn't you say? Using taxpayer money to fund killers, is immoral.


44 posted on 02/01/2006 10:27:56 AM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Publius Maximus
We do not need to appear to be rejecting a democratically elected government, do we?

Yes, we do. We need to reject and be seen to reject a murderous democratically elected government. Hamas, the Third Reich...

51 posted on 02/01/2006 10:32:51 AM PST by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills)
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To: Publius Maximus

"I must confess his reasoning is appealing. I hope rather than savage his suggestion we consider it seriously. We do not need to appear to be rejecting a democratically elected government, do we?"


Take your logical question elsewhere. This is a Bash Buchanan thread.


53 posted on 02/01/2006 10:34:51 AM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: Publius Maximus

Pat's reasoning is appealing for sure. We have been supporting elections in an area that is controlled by a series of theocracies that have contolled the lives of these people for hundreds of years. The political structure in these Islamic countries has been established in order to facilitate control by the religious powers.

We have been successful in overturning dictators/political leaders such as Saddam. Essentially, he was a secular leader. However, how much luck have we really had limiting the control and influence of the religious leaders. Almost none. Take Al Sadr in Iraq. This man was leading a revolt! He was directly responsible for loss of American and Iraqi lives at the hands of terrorists. But, in the end, he becomes part of the political process. We couldn't take him out.

I guess my point is that it is very risky to try to spread Democracy on the political front without altering the religious impact. And my friends, we haven't found a way to do that. Don't get me wrong - I think it's great that these people have embraced their God-given right to self-determination. But, if we want these people to not support terrorists, we have to find a way to overcome the impact of these religious leaders.

This is a very hard subject to get your hands on. In the end, I don't know which option is the best to take. Should we just get rid of the bad guys and rely on the hope that the people will make the right decisions, or should we work to change the hearts of the people so that they will get rid of the bad guys on their own.

I don't know which is right. I know that the attack on Iraq was absolutely necessary. We have to have the courage to get rid of killers and butchers like Saddam. But, after that, I don't know what is the best way to help the people set up their political structures.

Any ideas?


63 posted on 02/01/2006 10:52:20 AM PST by lnbchip
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To: Publius Maximus
If a democratic government gives us Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Hamas, we should reject it.
97 posted on 02/01/2006 11:28:31 AM PST by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: Publius Maximus; Paleo Conservative; ex-snook; dennisw
Actually, a Hamas victory and support for them is the logical result of democratism.
Our reaction should be to turn away from this suicidal behavior. Pat is as wrong as Bush.
114 posted on 02/01/2006 12:08:20 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Publius Maximus
”I must confess his reasoning is appealing. I hope rather than savage his suggestion we consider it seriously. We do not need to appear to be rejecting a democratically elected government, do we?”

You forgot to put /sarcasm at the end. Unless you believe it is acceptable to vote in a party that wants to kill off race of people?

131 posted on 02/01/2006 12:38:06 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Publius Maximus
I agree with you.

The questions I would ask anyone who regards the Hamas victory as an unacceptable outrage are as follows:

1. What exactly is this Hamas government now in charge of?

2. What does the U.S. government think this Hamas government should now be in charge of?

3. What does the Israeli government think this Hamas government is now in charge of?

4. What do YOU think this Hamas government should now be in charge of?

My basic question is this . . . Is Palestine a legitimate nation in the eyes of any of the parties listed in the questions above? If not, then what exactly does Hamas "govern" -- a quasi-independent state, a protectorate of the U.S. or the U.N., a province of Israel, etc.?

150 posted on 02/01/2006 1:59:29 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Publius Maximus
We do not need to appear to be rejecting a democratically elected government, do we?

We've rejected and toppled democratically elected governments before. The Nazis of Germany come to mind.

201 posted on 02/01/2006 5:59:15 PM PST by Jim_Curtis
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