Posted on 02/01/2006 10:09:49 AM PST by SirLinksalot
I challenge you to twist what I posted as anti-christian.
Not only is it not possible, I doubt you are very intelligent.
We have no obligation to fund terrorists.
Regardless of how they gained power.
Pat is all wet on this one.
And speaking of namecalling. That's about 90% of the content of his article.
People who get upset over the insults directed at Pat on this thread ought to ponder that.
My apologies. I thought that was your post.
still waiting for a feeble unimpressive attempt to spin what I posted as anti-christian.
perhaps you should go play at libertypost
So if Saudi Arabia elected Bin Laden to office should we sit back and take that also?
Didn't the European Union force a Nazi-like Austrian President from power a few years ago? I guess they are neo-cons too.
So Pat has abansoned isolationism.
For---financially supporting HAMAS, avowed enemies of Israel.
Yeah, Pat, if you wonder why people say you are an anti-semite...? This piece is exhibit A.
BTW, how did you like the President's speech last night Pat? Sounded as though the President was addressing you in parts. :-D
The questions I would ask anyone who regards the Hamas victory as an unacceptable outrage are as follows:
1. What exactly is this Hamas government now in charge of?
2. What does the U.S. government think this Hamas government should now be in charge of?
3. What does the Israeli government think this Hamas government is now in charge of?
4. What do YOU think this Hamas government should now be in charge of?
My basic question is this . . . Is Palestine a legitimate nation in the eyes of any of the parties listed in the questions above? If not, then what exactly does Hamas "govern" -- a quasi-independent state, a protectorate of the U.S. or the U.N., a province of Israel, etc.?
Bush must be an anti-semite too because he agrees with Pat on providing aid.
SOTU Bush:
"To promote this democracy, I will ask Congress for $350 million to support Palestinian political, economic and security reforms.
The goal of two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace is within reach, and America will help them achieve that goal.
(APPLAUSE)
Pat seems to think that the US should aid the dune baboons who were dancing and howling in the streets of Ramallah on (9/)! He's at best, a fool.
When lamenting the costs of waging war and of nation building, we should also recognize the opportunity costs of not engaging in this conflict and not devoting resources that will hopefully squelch the terrorism bent in that region. We should realize that after the shock of the September 11, 2001 attacks, nearly $2 trillion of wealth were wiped out on paper, the economy soured along with employment figures (though arguably pretty tame by historical standards), and our elected officials had expanded the size & scope (and spending) of the central government (for our protection, of course). There would be costs associated with doing nothing, too.It could be argued that Iraq’s posturing - their numerous violations of 1991 cease fire agreements and snubbing of various U.N. Security Council resolutions - led to America’s image as a paper tiger and, hence, a target of intense and now emboldened hatred from that region of the world; primers for the escalating terrorism on American interests that culminated with September 11, 2001. It may have even emboldened the Chinese to down our spy plane in April of 2001 - a plane supposedly in international waters. If that’s an argument that one subscribes to, was it not incumbent on America to squash the image in order to remove the boldness [as long as the willingness to remain unified in American resolve allowed it]? So, if in order to try and maintain the unity, the leadership has to find a unique selling point - a selling point such as “democracy spreading” - are not America’s best long-term interests being advanced?
If the seeds of capitalism [forget democracy, that’s not even the most important ingredient for stability anyway] can grow and spread, theocratic desires will give way to economic liberty and then to religious tolerance. Is this a Utopian point of view that’s unrealistically optimistic? Perhaps, but isn’t it worth a shot?…especially since the nuclear genie was, by recorded history’s standard, just released out of her bottle 45 minutes ago - and she isn’t going back into it.
If nothing is done in that region to break the cycle, to break through the barriers to the access to information, to allow people to have ownership of more than just the intangible things within the human mind that can’t be taken away (except in the case of brain washing), in essence to provide a spark of hope by introducing some semblance of liberty, then why should We expect less tyrannical regimes and more peace from that side of the world…wouldn’t THAT be even more Utopian?
Remember, that in an indirect way - one which people either forget about or do not see - Iraq’s liberation & reconstruction is a huge set back for the enemy’s side in the War on Terror!
We can't change the hearts of the people, not this way. We don't have the will to nation build ala MacArthur.
So yes, get rid of the bad guys, but only that, and only when they pose a clear danger of another 9/11.
Didn't we support the Palestinian Authority? And didn't they support suicide bombers?
Perhaps you should read the entire piece.
Buchanon goes to lengths to distance himself in comparison to the President.
Yet you respond by attempting to liken them, in doing so rebutting with comments meant to address a non existant point in my post, to spare Buchanon the insult of being labeled an anti-semite.
Buchanon sees within himself great difference between the President. As do I. I find the sum of the piece to illustrate this difference well as first evidence in a long litany of exhibits.
If your intention is to argue he is not an anti-semite? I warn you, I've no inclination to do so. I'm not withdrawing the statement but will infact be bolder then to state this piece is why folks think he is. I'll be bolder in stating "I" believe he is just for absolute clarity between us.
I realize he has some followers on this board, don't care. McCain has followers on this board and I'm not impressed. hell, sometimes it seems Hillary has followers given the amount of fear and awe sometimes given her around here. Defend him as you will, I defend people I support and respect. Buchanon isn't in that number.
Yep. Talk about self-marginalization bordering on self-immolation. He takes the cake. His Israel-hate borders on the pathological.
SOTU Bush:
"To promote this democracy, I will ask Congress for $350 million to support Palestinian political, economic and security reforms.
The goal of two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace is within reach, and America will help them achieve that goal.
(APPLAUSE)
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