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To: dead
How about a lack of willing advertisers? I heard they were dropping like flies.

And speaking of the Nielsens, does anyone else wonder how accurately 100,000 households can represent a nation of 300 million people?

15 posted on 01/24/2006 9:49:18 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
And speaking of the Nielsens, does anyone else wonder how accurately 100,000 households can represent a nation of 300 million people?

Two different samples: One is a national sample, which contains about 9,000 meters inside your TV.

The second is local where the country is divided up into 210 DMAs. This is a combination of meters and diaries.

17 posted on 01/24/2006 9:52:18 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: mewzilla; bonfire; dead

Have to agree with Mewzilla here. Sure, the ratings were low, but if it had been doing CSI-style ratings and no advertisers had been stepping up, that would have been it. Networks are in the profitmaking business, and both low ratings and unwilling advertisers hit right in the pocketbook.


45 posted on 01/24/2006 10:10:38 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Given the subject matter, shouldn't Heath Ledger get a Best Actress nomination?--Rambette)
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To: mewzilla
And speaking of the Nielsens, does anyone else wonder how accurately 100,000 households can represent a nation of 300 million people?

Fairly accurately, I imagine. Statiscal sampling, if it's done properly, can be done highly accurately.

There are some potential problems. People with Nielsen boxes may cheat, and this could be done for different reasons. First, if the person likes a particular show, he may lie about how many people are watching the show. This could artificially boost ratings. Next, the person may change his viewing habits with the Nielsen box in the room. They may like a particular show, and although they don't feel like watching it (it's a repeat, a better, one time movie is on HBO, etc), they will either watch it (or at least leave the TV on so the box records it) or claim they watched it.

Political polling has a few problems: people don't want to admit they aren't voting for the minority race candidate, for instance.

What sampling can do, though, is allow you to ask a relatively small group of people, and extrapolate that to as if you asked everyone in the country. If there's a black guy running against a white guy, the white guy is usually going to get a few percent more than in the polls, but that's not because the polls were improperly sampled: if Gallup called and reached every household, there would still be the overstating of black support.

A problem that political pollsters have that Nielsen probably doesn't is determining if that person is really going to vote. Nielsen at least knows if you've turned on the TV.

Any poll also needs to make sure that the samples are representative of the population they are seeking to measure. Doing a nationwide poll of anything, but confining your sample to residents of Manhattan, is going to yield wacked out results. Oversampling Republicans or Democrats is going to skew the poll. In telephone polls, there's the risk that you are underpolling certain population segments not likely to take calls from strangers on their Caller IDs.

55 posted on 01/24/2006 10:14:45 AM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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Wes Mantooth says Nielsens doesn't take into account households with more than two TVs.


87 posted on 01/24/2006 10:37:21 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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I had the interesting experience of being a Nielsen family for one week back in the late 90's. The Nielsen company left a message on my answering machine: You've been chosen so look for our packet in the mail. They also followed up with a phone call where they ask how many TV's you have and your race, among other things. The packet was a diary that you fill out for one week, each day is broken down into 15-minute increments and you fill in what you're watching in each bloc and how many people in your household are watching at that time. Also a page where you can fill in comments (I wrote, they never allow enuf time for a good show to find an audience.)

My big thrill was listing "La Femme Nikita" and "America's Most Wanted", my favorite shows at the time. I hope it helped keep them both on the air - AMW at one time faced cancellation.

I asked the Nielsen rep, during our phone interview, why they had chosen me, and they said it was completely random. I assumed they got my name from the phone book since they first contacted me by phone, but they wouldn't confirm that.

Later I asked someone in the TV business who said, the Nielsens contact approx. a thousand people a week in each major metro area during Sweeps periods, which last approx. four weeks, and about half of them respond back. So approx. 500 families in my area (Pittsburgh) served as the barometer of taste for several hundred thousand people in our metro area for that particular Sweeps week.

112 posted on 01/24/2006 11:52:46 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: mewzilla
And speaking of the Nielsens, does anyone else wonder how accurately 100,000 households can represent a nation of 300 million people?

If done properly it can be extremely accurate.

175 posted on 01/24/2006 5:16:37 PM PST by Casloy
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And speaking of the Nielsens, does anyone else wonder how accurately 100,000 households can represent a nation of 300 million people?

How accurately? About as accurate as any other "push poll"...

the infowarrior

178 posted on 01/24/2006 6:04:31 PM PST by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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