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My apologies, I misunderstood zeeba neighba's claim. While he didn't state it explicitly, I was taking his comment to refer to frauds supposedly done to support evolution. I admit now that I should not have made this assumption, as there was no wording to either state or even imply such an exclusive range (unlike creationists, I admit when I make errors).

Of course, my responding to this should show that zeeba neighba's claim that I will "shut up" in response to references to lies of scientists is itself false.

"(unlike creationists, I admit when I make errors)."

So do I.

I'm sorry, though, today I ain't got much constructive to add to the thread. I shared my ideas and opinions (don't forget those links!) in the hope that as American citizens we all have a right to hear and to be heard. It has been a good exchange and I hope that you have benefited and been enlightened by my ideas as much as I've benefited from yours. Although in opposed camps we all have something to learn from each other.

We were not made to live like brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge.

"Dimensio calls everyone a liar, and the only response that ever makes him stop, is to post snippets of current scientists manufacturing data to further their lackluster careers." _zeeba neighba post #622

While he didn't state it explicitly, I was taking his comment to refer to frauds supposedly done to support evolution. I admit now that I should not have made this assumption, as there was no wording to either state or even imply such an exclusive range... dimensio post #682

Interesting that you (dimensio)should have automatically assumed that he (zeeba) was referring to frauds done to support evolution when he didn't state that. So then, if these aritcles are dealing with fraud in the life sciences, of which evolution is a part, then you either think that evolutionists are exempt from the human foibles that afflict the rest of humanity, or that you do not consider evolutionists to be scientists, so it then wouldn't apply to them. I don't believe the first; and as for the the second......