Posted on 01/23/2006 4:31:58 PM PST by PatrickHenry
He called it the Recant or Bury Tale.
Much of this thread was about the end for various people, now it has devolved into puns.
Armageddon tired of it!
:)
Canterbury placemarker.
"Momentum" building on what? How can you have "much more extensive" research starting not with "less extensive" research but with literally NONE???
The evidence is overwhelming that the only support lies in the inconsistent testimony of the Widow Denny, who is revealed as an unreliable narratior, who was less than scrupulous in honesty and probity.
I own The Number!
Hey! Resent that! ("Lady Hope", John Alexander Dowie, Ken Ham.) Australians are good with the comvincing (even of the impossible).
No amount of research will help when there is no evidence to start with.
The only way you can evaluate "the evidence from a Design perspective" is with a theistic version of science; that means throwing out the normal rules of science and replacing them with religion as the dominating criterion; if your results and studies don't agree with our religious dogma, you're outta here!
And its not just any religion, but the fundamentalist Christian version. If you do not agree with this statement, just ask yourself: do you think the current US intelligent design movement is promoting Buddhist, Islamic, Catholic, Native American or any other versions of creation?
The Wedge Strategy actually outlined the method for establishing this "theistic science" a decade ago. Are we to believe it is not being pushed by a lot of ID supporters now?
(Paging Nehemiah Scudder!)
So now you are saying it is foolish to begin scientific research with a hypothesis. I thought an exhibition of mind control like this only came from elitists within Liberal Academia. Don't be so afraid.
An open minded comment from your side of the discussion looks more like this:
Have at it. Use all of the resources at your disposal. We know from history that persuasion that is founded on truth, ultimately wins the day. Lies and misconceptions always end up with the light of truth finding them out.The more the truth can be exposed, the more scientifically enlightened mankind becomes. Often the truth only gets exposed when a person who is determined to prove themselves right, ends up proving an opposing theory. No fear!
The oppression you folks are pandering is something to behold. It goes beyond defensive. Just like the politicians who were convinced that a non-Galilean reality must be enforced on the minds of the population to keep people from being distracted by something so obviously wrong; your side is attempting to censure any opposing theory that doesn't line up with conventional wisdom.
That's a new one! I'll have to remember that!
But seriously, my post was about the lack of evidence. Your response has not provided any evidence, nor even hinted at there being any.
If you want to do science, forget the "mind control," "elitists within Liberal Academia," "oppression you folks are pandering," and "attempting to censure any opposing theory" paranoia and bring on the evidence.
Its that simple. Either you have some evidence, or you do not. Either what you are doing is science, or it is belief.
But talking about mind control, elitists, oppression, censorship and other gibberish is not conducive to a good scientific discussion. Try the psych department.
That was the exact point of my original post that you commented on. We are seeing more and more credentialed scientists weigh in in favor of Intelligent Design, which means more scientific eyes taking the topic seriously.
I'm not Australian. Why should I?
Well, here you go....
"It May Look Authentic; Here's How to Tell It Isn't"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1563746/posts
and....
"Studies examine withholding of scientific data among researchers, trainees"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565120/posts
Examples of honesty and integrity among the scientific community.
I think someone needs to start a pinglist of science fraud. There's been tons of articles lately - the fake oral cancer "study" from, IIRC, Norway and the fake Korean guy come to mind.
Scientists wear no haloes of pure motivation as a group. In my mind they're around the same notch as used car salesmen and the lawyers that have those huge sticking out ads in phone books.
Yeah, those damn scientists! What have those crooks ever done for us? Society would be a lot better off without scientists!!
You can't really complain, you are a MAdMan after all. IT's your lot in life....
Right. Back to the caves.
[I think the real problem is that science is coming up with answers some folks don't want to hear. That's why the Wedge Strategy advocated "theistic science." (Paging Nehemiah Scudder!)]
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