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Evolution study tightens human-chimp connection
EurekAlert (AAAS) ^ | 23 January 2006 | Staff

Posted on 01/23/2006 4:31:58 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: jennyp
And here I thought it was that he didn't play dice with the universe...
61 posted on 01/23/2006 5:51:06 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TheBrotherhood; PatrickHenry
According to the above definitions evolution is a collection of beliefs known as dogma that gives rise to the cult of evolution.

Intelligent Design is on the borderline between theory and law.

Your response demonstrates that you do not understand science, and that you are arguing from a largely religious orientation.

That's fine, but don't confuse what you are doing with science. And don't try to tell scientists how to do science unless you have gone to the trouble to learn some real science.

Hint: You will not learn science from creationist pamphlets and websites.

As for PH, you may not be hearing from him at all. Did you notice his tagline? It reads: (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)

62 posted on 01/23/2006 5:51:09 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Sofa King

very good point


63 posted on 01/23/2006 5:51:26 PM PST by Roverman2K
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To: kimosabe31; warpcorebreach

Everything alive right now is a transitional species; but that might be over your head. No ill humour intended either. I think Creationist types need to realize that there are many of us conservatives who believe that evolution (or its basic idea) is fact. We are not stupid people, we are not immoral people. Just the fact that we are conservative should be enough about our character that anyone needs to know. I think most of us believe in God just like you do too. With all this said, I've never seen one of us use name calling against you guys like a lot of you do to us. We're all on the same side here.


64 posted on 01/23/2006 5:51:53 PM PST by MadManDan
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To: StACase

>Global warming, second hand smoke, chimp/human evolution, bad politically motivated science is the hallmark of liberalism.

Excellent!

Man, I wish I could write like you do.

The entire post was perfect, but don't expect the bot to respond. LOL!


65 posted on 01/23/2006 5:53:08 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: Coyoteman
As for PH, you may not be hearing from him at all.

So true.

66 posted on 01/23/2006 5:53:31 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Scientists at the Georgia Institute of Technology have found genetic evidence that seems to support a controversial hypothesis that humans and chimpanzees may be more closely related to each other than chimps are to the other two species of great apes – gorillas and orangutans.

There's not really much controversy about this in science anymore.

67 posted on 01/23/2006 5:56:42 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: jennyp

God created those things we cannot understand. For example, we used to think God creates rain, but, now the godless meteorologists on TV say the rain somehow is natural and they can predict rain! Blasphemy!


68 posted on 01/23/2006 5:58:42 PM PST by sagar
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To: warpcorebreach

Re: your odd idea that evolutionists would expect watches to spring from deserts and operating systems to emerge from beaches..

Where do you ever get that idea? See, the cells and organisms you compare to watches and computers are self replicating. They "spawn," for lack of a better term. You need this to capability to evolve. As far as I know, watches and computers do not self replicate.

And furthermore, the "silly" Raven story you pass off so easily predates your particular creation myth. not that it matters one iota, but thought you'd enjoy that.


69 posted on 01/23/2006 5:59:22 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: warpcorebreach
"You know, it's funny. If you were walking in the dessert, and you saw a $12,000 Rolex ticking away on the ground, you wouldn't say- "gee, I guess the sun heated the sand of trillions of years, and through light refraction and molecular blah-blah this watch must have risen up out of the quartz"- or some such. you'd say- "Hey look- somebody dropped a watch."

Ask yourself why we would recognize it, then apply those 'rules' to organics.

"Or if you went to the beach, and you had a LOT of time on your hands- how long would you have to wait for a perfectly functional PC with a perfectly functional copy of Windows XP to rise up out of the sea? A billion years? A gazillion? How about never.

This is a rather poor and overused analogy. Since when do PC's or any other human created technology self replicate. Which human creations inherit features and functions from their precursors and pass through a selection process? If you can think of any, do they look the same as the original? Why? Can you think of any human artifact that had a different function than some of its descendants? Can the selection process cause changes in the function and features of an artifact?

"And the "simplest" cell (there are no simple single cells), is about a quintillion times more advanced technologically than a silly personal computer.

Technological? Jump to conclusions much?

" My point being that when you look into the mirror, you are looking at some wildly, ungodly advanced hardware/software, and you can either make up a story liek the American Indians-- "First, Raven dropped the seed of life onto the back of Turtle in the River of Life, and blah-blah ( insert nonsensical scientific data), or you can say-- "wow- who made this?"

70 posted on 01/23/2006 6:01:26 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: warpcorebreach
If you're a panda, and your bamboo dries up, or you're a koala bear and you eucalyptus trees die from a beetle-- how long do you have to adapt? A billion years? No, probably about 2 days I imagine. How many millions of years did that whale have to adapt when he found himself in the Thames? He didn't adapt at all, and so evolved himself right into the grave. In real life, if an asteroid is coming, if the temp changes 100 degrees in one evening, the sun flashes, the ozone gets sparse- how long do you have? About 5 seconds.

Your grasp of what evolution says and how it operates is so horribly, sadly wrong. Please do stick around and keep reading. (If I'm a panda or a koala or a whale in the Thames, I'm but one organism. I'm not a population. And, if I've already passed on my genetic data, it doesn't even matter..)
71 posted on 01/23/2006 6:02:27 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: Coyoteman

I'll admit I'm not a scientist. Most of my education comes from sites like FR and others.

>As for PH, you may not be hearing from him at all. Did you notice his tagline? It reads: (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)

So, is it really a bot like they have on Internet Relay Chat (IRC), or is he a live person? I've never seen him/her respond to a post addressed to him/her and wondered why. OK, if he/she doesn't want to respond he/she doesn't have to.

Thanks for responding. I like this thread, you know. There was another one last night in which I made some intelligent posts but was partly ignored.

You sure are NO bot.


72 posted on 01/23/2006 6:03:27 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: warpcorebreach
"First, Raven dropped the seed of life onto the back of Turtle in the River of Life, and blah-blah ( insert nonsensical scientific data), or you can say-- "wow- who made this?"

Nice try, but very condescending.

Here is one of the many stories featuring Raven.


Tlingit Creation Story

No one knows just how the story of Raven really begins, so each starts from the point where he does know it. Here it was always begun in this way. Raven was first called Kit-ka'ositiyi-qa-yit ("Son of Kit-ka'ositiyi-qa"). When his son was born, Kit-ka'ositiyi-qa tried to instruct him and train him in every way and, after he grew up, told him he would give him strength to make a world. After trying in all sorts of ways, Raven finally succeeded. Then there was no light in this world, but it was told him that far up the Nass was a large house in which some one kept light just for himself.

Raven thought over all kinds of plans for getting this light into the world and finally he hit on a good one. The rich man living there had a daughter, and he thought, "I will make myself very small and drop into the water in the form of a small piece of dirt." The girl swallowed this dirt and became pregnant. When her time was completed, they made a hole for her, as was customary, in which she was to bring forth, and lined it with rich furs of all sorts. But the child did not wish to be born on those fine things. Then its grandfather felt sad and said, "What do you think it would be best to put into that hole? Shall we put in moss?" So they put moss inside and the baby was born on it. Its eyes were very bright and moved around rapidly.

Round bundles of varying shapes and sizes hung about on the walls of the house. When the child became a little larger it crawled around back of the people weeping continually, and as it cried it pointed to the bundles. This lasted many days. Then its grandfather said, "Give my grandchild what he is crying for. Give him that one hanging on the end. That is the bag of stars." So the child played with this, rolling it about on the floor back of the people, until suddenly he let it go up through the smoke hole. It went straight up into the sky and the stars scattered out of it, arranging themselves as you now see them. That was what he went there for.

Some time after this he began crying again, and he cried so much that it was thought he would die . Then his grandfather said, " Untie the next one and give it to him." He played and played with it around behind his mother. After a while he let that go up through the smoke hole also, and there was the big moon.


This story is very long. The rest can be accessed at: http://www.indigenouspeople.net/creatlingit.htm
73 posted on 01/23/2006 6:04:15 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: DesertSapper
as God isn't remotely like a chimp.

Got a photo?

74 posted on 01/23/2006 6:04:54 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: PatrickHenry
There was a great documentary recently on an upright-walking small-eared, really weird looking Chimp (famous in the 1970s and now living out his twilight years in a wild life center here in the US) that people were sure was an ape-human hybrid.

Alas, genetic tests finally proved that he was indeed all-Chimp, but apparently from some isolated sub-group in the depths of Africa.

There is also an amazing story about how Stalin allegedly set his scientists up to try to create an "ape-man" hybrid in the 1920s (the stronger to be able to work)...needless to say, they failed to successfully impregnate female apes with human sperm....something only a lunatic like Stalin could believe was possible....

75 posted on 01/23/2006 6:04:59 PM PST by Al Simmons ("Only those are fit to live who do not fear to die" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: PatrickHenry

Do you want bananas with that?


77 posted on 01/23/2006 6:06:22 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Al Simmons
There is also an amazing story about how Stalin allegedly set his scientists up to try to create an "ape-man" hybrid in the 1920s ...

Someone, I don't recall who, posted some information on that recently. Maybe he'll post a link.

78 posted on 01/23/2006 6:07:38 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: TheBrotherhood
Um. Huh?

Let's review. Your first and only post before your #56 stated, in it's entirety:

Hey, bot, that article is a lot of nonsense. There is no connection between humans and chimps.

Then, your next post stated:

An aside: Why isn't the bot (PH) responding to my post above? Will someone please animate the Bot? LOL! Just joking here, guys. Don't take it seriously. Sometimes I expect a fast and prompt answer and forget that the person may not be here at the moment. I'm sure when he comes online, he'll notice my intelligent posts and respond appropriately. I do not expect him to agree with me, only that he gives me not a vacuous and timid answer. LOL!

Hmmm, now please do kindly point out to us vacuous and timid folks who accept science what your question to PatrickHenry was.

Then, read his tagline and understand why he's not wasting his time with you. You call him a, "bot," don't ask a question, then insult him for not answering your non-question.

You creationists never cease to amaze. Case in point, you also say: Intelligent Design is on the borderline between theory and law.

You have no idea how absurd that is, do you?
79 posted on 01/23/2006 6:08:43 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: MadManDan

First off, I think I'm going to save this post of yours on my desktop and ping you when one you evolutionists attacks and demeans one of us or when they admit that they don't believe in God.

Secondly, to disagree means we're diametrically opposed on this issue and on separate camps.


80 posted on 01/23/2006 6:08:56 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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