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How the South belatedly won America's civil war
BBC News UK ^ | 01/20/2006 | By David Cannadine

Posted on 01/20/2006 2:50:00 PM PST by oxcart

Greetings from North Carolina, where I'm spending the next few months as a visiting fellow at something called the National Humanities Center. It's located mid-way between the three cities of Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill, which together form one of the fastest-growing communities in the United States, along with the region that includes Charlotte, the largest city in the state.

Here's an example of what is known as the "New" South, which is booming as never before. For some time economic power has been shifting in this country, away from the old, industrialised North East towards states that were once far less prosperous than they have recently become. And over the last three decades this change in the distribution of wealth resources and people has also had major implications for American politics and American government.

For much of its history, North Carolina was one of the poorest southern states. The first English settlers arrived in 1585, but they survived barely two years, and it was not until late in the 17th and early 18th centuries that immigration began in earnest. But the soil was unwelcoming, farming was hard, and the colony never achieved the level of prosperity, dominated by great plantations, that characterised neighbouring Virginia and South Carolina.

North Carolina was also backward in other ways: it was reluctant to join the American Revolution, and it was one of the last states to embrace the union after freedom from the British had been won. And although it was a slave-owning state, it was also slow to sign up with the Confederacy on the outbreak of the Civil War. But a quarter of all the southern troops who died in that conflict came from North Carolina, and by the end of the war, the state was a shambles. So, as the 20th century dawned, North Carolina was a poor and under-resourced region, where nearly 20% of whites, and nearly 50% of blacks, were unable to read.

But by then, North Carolina had become home to one major industry, and that was tobacco. In 1881, a machine was invented which could roll cigarettes automatically, and soon after Durham became a great centre of tobacco manufacture, dominated by the Duke family who established the American Tobacco Company in 1890.

They were among the largest employers in the town, they built enormous factories and warehouses, and in 1924 they endowed the local college with a massive gift of $40m, which ever since has borne the Duke name, and is now one of the best universities in the country.

There are many ironies here. The Duke family had made their money by manufacturing a product which often killed people, if consumed in sufficient quantities. Yet Duke University, which they had transformed by their benefaction, has in recent times become renowned for its medical centre, which seeks to save and prolong lives. Such can be the contradictions of capitalism and of philanthropy.

Despite the job opportunities which the tobacco industry created, for both blacks and whites, North Carolina continued to languish down to World War II and beyond. And all this time, North Carolina was a segregated state, along with the rest of the South, with separate schools and buses, and cafes for blacks and whites.

Industry collapse

It's hard to imagine that that such a state of affairs still existed within the lifetime of many Carolinans living today. But it did.

To make matters worse, from the 1980s onwards, the cigarette industry went into decline, and this took away a major source of employment. The economic base of Durham seemed on the brink of collapse, and the great tobacco warehouses now stood silent and derelict. This is hardly a cheering story, and North Carolina was hardly a cheering place when I first visited America during the early 1970s. There seemed no good reason to go there.

In fact, I only encountered the state indirectly. For one of its senators, Sam Ervin, was the chairman of the Senate Committee which was then in the process of investigating the Watergate affair, and he waged a vigorous and ultimately victorious battle against President Nixon, who sought to withhold evidence by claiming executive privilege.

The committee hearings were televised, and they were riveting daytime drama as Ervin became a national celebrity, not only for his decent and determined conduct against a crooked and conspiring president, but also for his folksy humour and pithy observations.

Yet by then Sam Ervin was becoming an example of a fast-vanishing breed: the Southern Democrat. From the early 1930s until the late 1960s, the Democratic Party had dominated American politics, after a long period of Republican ascendancy, and the architect of that dominance had been Franklin Roosevelt.

One of Roosevelt's greatest achievements had been to put together an election winning coalition of northern workers and big city bosses, along with representatives of the white, segregationist South. As such, it was a coalition that was contradictory to the point of instability, but from Roosevelt to Lyndon Johnson, it was somehow held together, and Senator Sam Ervin was a quintessential example of its southern component.

No longer backward

But by the time of Watergate, something had already happened in American politics which portended the break-up of this Democratic coalition, (especially the Southern element in it) and that was the passing of the Civil Rights Act by President Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

Johnson's Civil Rights Act was not only overdue and admirable but a rare example of a politician doing something he believed in but which was not consistent with his own, or with his party's, political self-interest

Johnson himself was a Texan, and a product of the segregated, graft-ridden world of southern politics. Yet once he gained the White House he became persuaded that segregation had to end, and that blacks should finally receive full political rights. He duly deployed his formidable political will, and brutal operating skills, to berate, persuade and coerce a reluctant Congress into passing the Civil Rights Act. To this day, it remains one of the greatest pieces of legislation ever sponsored by an American President, and whatever Johnson's failings and errors in his mis-conduct of the Vietnam War, this measure must always stand to his credit.

Yet even as he exerted himself to secure its passing, Johnson conceded that the Civil Rights Act meant the Democratic Party would lose the American South for a generation: for while the newly-enfranchised blacks would vote Democrat, the southern whites would increasingly turn to the Republicans. And that is exactly what has happened.

One indication was that in 1972, North Carolina elected its first Republican Senator in the 20th Century. His name was Jesse Helms, and for the next 30 years he was a powerful conservative force in the nation's capital, fighting against restrictions on smoking and on guns. Today, in Washington, there's scarcely a Democratic senator from the old South left.

Johnson's Civil Rights Act was, then, not only both overdue and admirable, it was also a rare example of a politician doing something because he believed it to be right, but which was not consistent with his own, or with his party's, political self-interest.

Loft apartments

It's not only Johnson's civil rights legislation which has transformed the old South during the last 30-odd years. For at the same time, the economic balance of power in the United States has tipped away from states like Pennsylvania, Connecticut and Ohio, and towards the sunrise and sunshine states of the south and the west.

Places like North Carolina are no longer derided as marginal, backward and poor. Instead, they have become extremely attractive to young and old Americans alike; to those wishing to make their careers (and often their fortunes) in IT, or medical research or bio-technology, or to those who wish to retire from the cold North East to warmer climes. Hurricanes like Katrina notwithstanding, the major growth areas in the United States are now in places like North Carolina, and here in Durham. The once-derelict tobacco warehouses have recently been re-born as ritzy lofts (I'm living in one myself) and fashionable restaurants and boutiques.

Such prosperity has never happened in the South before of course, and as Katrina did so vividly show, this isn't true every where. The old poor South does linger, in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi, and there are still substantial areas of poverty in the Carolinas and in Georgia. Be that as it may, the South is richer than it's ever been, and it's also become politically more influential as a result.

But as Johnson had both foreseen and feared, this enhanced political clout is no longer mobilised in support of the Democrats. For in recent decades the South has been a major force in the revival of the Republican Party.

One indication of this is that the Texas of Lyndon Johnson is now the Texas of George Bush and of his father. Another is that it is now scarcely conceivable that an American president could be elected who's based in the North East.

That would probably be true even if he was a Republican, and it would be still more true if he (or she) was a Democrat.

John Kerry found that out the hard way in 2004. Will Hillary Clinton be taught the same lesson in 2008? If she is, it will be one more indication that the American South has finally, peacefully and belatedly won the American civil war.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: dixie; redstates; thesouth
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To: oxcart
Places like North Carolina ... have become extremely attractive ... to those who wish to retire from the cold North East ...

True, they've all moved into my neighborhood. Even I am beginning to speak like I came from Long Island (sounds like "lawn guyland").

121 posted on 01/21/2006 6:08:29 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: strider44
"I don't buy that. What I have noticed, is that white guys I know in the military from southern states, these guys are officers from South Carolina and Georgia, use the "N" word all the time. Not in public but during their family gatherings, amongst themselves etc. "

Interesting. Why then do you suppose they were comfortable using that word around you? My experience in the U.S. Army taught me that racism is not limited by geography or skin color.

122 posted on 01/21/2006 6:32:49 AM PST by Godebert
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To: SF Republican
We have been occupied for 140 years now

Indeed the South has been occupied territory for 140 years. And even though Washington DC gets even more of our tribute money than they did then, it's evident today's Republicans are trying to waste it faster than the Republicans did then as well

How the South belatedly won America's civil war

Doesn't look like that to me. Everyday I turn on the local news some damn transplanted yankee is complaining that we don't have this or don't have that 'down here'. I'd ask every self respecting Southerner to do a good deed at least once a month. Buy a bus ticket for a yankee and get them to go home.

123 posted on 01/21/2006 6:38:46 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Godebert

I don't know. I guess because I was white? I suppose I could have protested, maybe it's a character flaw that I didn't. It was a commonly-used word in private circles in the south. I know this isn't limited to the south, but it's just what I noticed. I found it odd that a fellow officer would throw that word out so casually. But you're right, there's plenty of racism to go around. Old-school Boston Irish are not the most tolerant bunch either. I fall in that demographic, but I don't use racial slurs. Now calling someone a fag or homo is a different story. That is so commom in the military it isn't even funny. I'm guilty of it too. We do it as a joke though. I call my best friends "fags", "homos" , "Meat Gazers", you name it. It's akin to Black guys calling themselves the "n" word in casual conversation. They do it all the time like a term of endearment.


124 posted on 01/21/2006 6:43:15 AM PST by strider44
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To: Darkwolf377
Good thing I scrolled down as I was going to make the same point.

Also, isn't the Civil Rights Act the reason why gub'mint can now call every saloon, bar, restaurant and bowling alley a "public accommodation" and ignore the property rights of the owner?

125 posted on 01/21/2006 7:11:39 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I don't care if they had popular votes in those states or not.

They didn't.

126 posted on 01/21/2006 7:19:25 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Casloy

Just as one can be a Texan and American at the same time, so can one be a southerner or "son of the south" and be an American at the same time.

Any "myth" you referenced was your own creation.


127 posted on 01/21/2006 7:23:23 AM PST by Rebelbase (I love global warming in the winter.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I know the article is from a simpleton from the UK. The main theme of the article is the fact that the dims can not win with out votes from the south. Clintoon1 was lucky, Gore and Kerry lost and Clintoon2 will loose even worse.
129 posted on 01/21/2006 7:36:08 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: Fledermaus

I know!


130 posted on 01/21/2006 7:40:59 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: LauraleeBraswell

"If the South had won, we wouldn't be The United States, we'd be two different nations."

In the event that a draw was fought and the north accepted
the succession yes.



But not necessarily, had the south "won",that is had they vanquished the north, there might have evolved a Unified States of America, and it's certainly possible that while
it would have been different to begin with, after a hundred
and fifty years, it might look much as we do today.


131 posted on 01/21/2006 7:43:29 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

"Cant we all just get a long?"


132 posted on 01/21/2006 7:45:17 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: MikeinIraq

LOL, no Im not getting in the middle of this...watching is just fine. :)


133 posted on 01/21/2006 7:46:39 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: Final Authority

I'll give you credit buttinski.

You at least live in the one state of the northeast left with some balls to withstand the Red Diaper Babies.

That gives you some credence to shoot yer mouth off but it's fading fast.


134 posted on 01/21/2006 7:48:40 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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To: My2Cents
The south is better off for having lost the Civil War. And America is better for not having lost the south.

The Republic died in 1865. Federalism unchecked. Enjoy.

135 posted on 01/21/2006 7:50:24 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Final Authority

btw....all yankee transplants are not bad news...i took pains to clarify that as i often do.


136 posted on 01/21/2006 7:52:10 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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To: JoeGar
I know, I have 2 sisters that were raised in Ohio, moved to Texas and lost their yankee speak and got a Texas twang. Now they have moved to Raleigh and the yankee is coming back.
137 posted on 01/21/2006 7:56:33 AM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; Arkinsaw
The South didn't have the economic means to win the war and got no foreign recognition.

Say the same thing for the American Revolution, then? Without the French Naval bombardment, Cornwallis could've crushed Washington. And Washington, the first American Rebel, fought for a country that accepted slavery.

The American Revolution was good in your eyes because a Southerner won. The Civil War was bad because Marhta Washington's descendent surrendered at Appomattox?

138 posted on 01/21/2006 8:00:27 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: strider44; Godebert

and they don't say the N-word in the North?.....have you been to Bensonhurst, Bay Ridge, Indiana, Ohio, rural New York State, the Pine Barrens, etc?

you're fooling yourself.

I had a place in Manahattan from 80-88 and I heard it all the time. When they realized I was Southern, they would crank it up thinking it was ok with me not realizing my daddy spanked my butt for using that word because his family considered it white trash vernacular....that being said, I would imagine nearly everyone has said the word at least privately to themselves in anger. It's certainly required lingo amongst hip hop culture....probably one of the most used nouns in their rhyme.

i bet anyone with a military career in mind these days is mighty careful about offending any minority...the military seems to be our preeminent social engineering petrie dish.


139 posted on 01/21/2006 8:05:14 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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To: My2Cents

that's a reasonable argument not dripping with the customary vitriol one finds on WBTS topics

I salute you!


140 posted on 01/21/2006 8:07:26 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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