[Revelation 911]

I have the bible on my computer. I searched for "Trinitarian" and variations of the word and never got a hit.

Can you point me to the place in the Bible that explains about the "Trinitarian nature of God"?

be glad to - lets start with the duality of Christ - wholly human - wholly divine

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17`For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son

we also note in this passage that Jesus is the only Son of God -

Look at acts 9 as well, Sauls conversion - "I am Jesus" - I am being another name of God - we can argue the context of "I am" - however the fact that Christ came to Saul in invisibility and a bright light indicates divine origin

thats two divine aspects so far.....

the final aspect of the trinity is demonstrated in the Gospel of Matthew

3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

so no, you wont find "trinity" in the Bible in a keyword search - but a simple exegesis demonstrates it's actuality

My understanding of Mormonism indicates the LDS believe in the triad nature of God rather than trinitarian,but your comment leads me to think that you discount even that.....

With regards to the creeds - some Catholic, some Protestant.....all were crafted to make a clear statement with regards to the nature of God in light of heretical teachings at the time....one of them being a triune nature of the Godhead. Protestants and Catholics alike agree in the trinitarian nature of God.

Now lets look at the Nicene creed - the only creed accepted not only by Catholics, but Orthodox and Protestant as well...

Nicene Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

would you kindly indicate what aspect of that creed the LDS find distasteful?

In the meantime - please stop identifying youselves as Christian - the LDS claim no apostolic lineage through the Catholic church (That would be the church of Peter), so to characterize yourselves as "Christian" is deceitful at best...you discount the trinity for a triad, reject the creeds, claim a different apostolic lineage, revealed text (oddly in the Kings english) and notably not part of accepted canonized Scripture, so please stop piggybacking on the very denominations the Mormon church consideres to be untrue, and preying on the theologically ignorant who dont investigate or care to know what distinguishes us

Simply stated, believe what you like - this is after all America - I will defend your right to it......

However I will not stand for deception, and claiming to be part of the body catholic is precisely that

[BlueMoose]

"John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

16 ¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

"18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son"

18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[Dan(9698)]

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,

3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

What I see in those quotes is three individuals:

God, --- His one and only Son --- The Holy Ghost

I don't see where that is a "trinity"

Oh yes --- I see it now in the added scripture you sent. Right there in Constantine chapter 3 verse 5.

(I thought you guys believed in the last part of Revelations where it says you shouldn't change or add any of the words in the scriptures.)

I accept what is in the scriptures, not what was decided by the delegates to a meeting called by the Roman Emperor, Constantine.

[Buggman]

Allow me to add a few passages of my own, this time from the Tanakh (the OT), using the KJV:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God (Heb. El Gibbowr), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. --Isa. 9:6

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS (Heb. YHVH Tzidkenu).

Hmm, the prophets seem clear that God Himself would be the King from the line of David. Here's another:

And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn. --Zec. 12:9-10

Who will destroy the nations who will come against Jerusalem? God. Who will pour out the Spirit on them? God.

Whom shall they look on who is pierced?

God.

The fact that Yeshua the Messiah, Jesus Christ, is one and the same as the I AM of the burning bush who spoke to Moses is so evident in Scripture that there really shouldn't even be a debate.

[Adam-ondi-Ahman]

Here is the stand of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -

Joseph Smith, Jr., as a 14 year old boy, saw God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ as two, distinct personages. The presence of the Holy Ghost was also there. One can either ask God if his testimony is true, and get his/her own witness, or not. No one can effectively argue with me that the Holy Ghost hasn't testified of the truth of that event. It is personal.

The Bible has been sufficiently obfuscated over the centuries that one can create an infinite number of faiths from it (as is evident in the world). John said that if all the works and words of Jesus were written, it would fill the earth. We have additional scripture from Jesus himself, as well as other prophets, that clarify matters. We believe in continued revelation to this day from God. God reveals truth, not the arguments of men (including me).

[EverOnward]

"In the meantime - please stop identifying youselves as Christian."

You're serious? Who are you to decide that?

[xzins]

Mormons and Masons on one thread?

Isn't that like tugging on superman's cape AND pulling the mask off the ole lone ranger?

[Lochlainnach]

Though I honor the notion that Peter stands as the rock of the Catholic faith, considering the amount of space given to Paul's writings in the New Testament, it doesn't seem wholly correct to say that Catholicism is "the religion of Peter," since without Paul there is a good chance that "Christianity" as we know it basically is overcome by the chaos of various sects.

I know it is a small part of the argument you present, but it's something of importance to me.